Company denies man lost job over Playgirl spread
Source: AP-Excite
By PAT EATON-ROBB
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) A company that helps businesses handle personnel issues denies it forced one if its employees out of his job after it was discovered he had posed nude in Playgirl magazine.
Daniel Sawka filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in May 2013 against Roseland, New Jersey-based ADP Inc. alleging sexual harassment. The company responded in a court filing Monday.
Sawka worked as a regional sales manager for ADP, which offers workforce management services, including payroll services and human resources management, for other companies and says it has more than 610,000 clients around the world.
Sawka, who worked for ADP in Windsor and later in Milford, alleges he was subjected to constant jokes and ridicule at work after a woman in his office discovered he had posed nude in the early 1990s in a lumberjack-themed spread for Playgirl and found the photos online.
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rocktivity
(44,576 posts)send the link around the office? If so, she should have been fired, too -- as did anyone who downloaded the picture at work.
rocktivity
happyslug
(14,779 posts)If you find out a co worker had nude photos of him or herself (and they were NOT private i.e. "published" either on the net, paper, or magazine with permission of the person whose photos we are discussing). and you spread them around, that is NOT illegal for that is NOT discrimination or harassment in and by itself.
It would be illegal if these were stolen photos, i.e. someone took them and another person broke into where it was being stored and obtained them. Please note these are NOT stolen Photo by a spread for Playgirl. Stolen photos, even posted on the net, could be grounds for criminal charges and if used as a weapon, as explained below, grounds for a sexual discrimination claim.
On the other hand these photos could be harassment (and this discrimination) if used against the person in the photo to harass that person. Joking about such photos of a co-workers is NOT harassment by itself, but if used as a weapon against that person, that is a different argument.
Thus the issue is this a case of harassment or are co-workers having fun at the expense of the person who is in the photo? Or were these photos used to make the place a hostile work environment for the person in the photo? Joking about them, spreading them around for a few days and then leaving it die, is NOT harassment (Sex jokes are NOT harassment if the Victim also views them as joke NOT as an attack on him or herself). On the other hand if these photos would come up constantly and used to intimidate the victim, then it is harassment and illegal sexual discrimination. i.e a one time joke is probably OK, but then leave it die, like a photo of a co-worker caught doing something embarrassing.
Notice the fine line here. The issue is one of intent AND how the victim viewed that intent. I give a person example, I use to have a secretary that I would tell off color jokes to, she liked them. I had a co-worker who also made off color jokes and she hated them. Why? my jokes were making fun of people hang up on sex and where made in a good nature matter, his jokes came across as an attack on women. It was NOT the jokes themselves but how they were told. Were they an attack on women, or just a comment on women and men. Example, I told her once why women did poorly in math, I held my thumb and fingers about two inches apart and said "Men keep telling them that is six inches". She kicked me out of her office for that one (But she felt comfortable to do so for I would NOT take her telling me to leave as an insult).
My Secretary brought it up one day, and I pointed out it was intent. I never intended my bad jokes to intimidate her, on the other hand my fellow male's joke was to put her in her place.
The same in this case, the whole case depends on what was the intention of the people who presented the photos to the victim and can that be shown. Passing around the photos, by itself is NOT intimidation, and thus not illegal discrimination based on sex. On the other hand use of those photo to intimidate is illegal discrimination. The issue is one of intent and that will be seen at trial.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)
is certainly grounds for being fired.
rocktivity
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Remember the rule of employment is "At Will" and thus an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason UNLESS it is an illegal reason (Sex discrimination is an illegal reason).
Now, to get unemployment, the action one is terminated for must NOT be for "Wilful misconduct" i.e. something that is NOT in the best interest of the employer. Harassing a fellow employee can be "Wilful Misconduct" but how is passing around a nude photo of a fellow employer against the best interest of the employer (and thus "Wilful Misconduct" ? Using that photo to harass a fellow employee MAY be "Wilful Misconduct" but just passing it around by itself is NOT (Just like passing around a photo of the employee walking his dog is NOT against the interest of the employer and thus NOT "Wilful Misconduct" but can be if the photo of walking the dog is being used to harass that employee).
Using Company property for something NOT for the interest of your employer can be "Wilful Misconduct", but if such communications, including spreading around photos, is permitted by the employer for it raises moral and enhanced communications it is NOT "Wilful Misconduct". The key is how does this harm the employer? In many cases such communication enhances interaction and thus makes the employees more comfortable with technology and thus NOT "Wilful Misconduct".
Now notice I mention that such communications is permitted by the employer. In many offices that is the case, and thus use of office equipment for that purpose is NOT Willful Misconduct if it can be shown it is common practice and thus permitted by the employer even if the employer technically has a rule against such use of company equipment.
I do a lot of Unemployment law and such misuse of company equipment comes up a lot of time, and often the employee can show it may not be permitted, but the employer did nothing to stop employees from using such company equipment. i.e it was permitted by the employer even through it technically was against the rules (and often use of Company equipment for non company purposes is permitted provided it does NOTharm the employer). In such cases, such use of Company Equipment is NOT Wilful misconduct and thus the employer gets unemployment (unless the employer hires the employees back, which does occur every so often, for such a ruling affects the unemployment insurance tax the employer pays).
Thus spreading the Photo around may NOT be wilful misconduct for spreading such photos around may be common practice in that Company. Thus the woman could be fired, but if fired will get unemployment (and the company will see its unemployment tax rate goes up).
For that reason I suspect this woman was NOT terminated for what she did was either permitted or approved of by management and thus NOT wilful misconduct.
As to the charge of Sexual Discrimination, spreading of the photos by itself is NOT Sexual harassment and thus Sexual discrimination. The Key is HOW where those photos used and by whom? How and by whom determines if the photos were being used for harassment purposes and thus illegal sexual discrimination. That a female employee found the photos and spread them to her co-workers may NOT be harassment. You need that extra step of actually using the photo to harass someone for it to reach the issue of illegal sexual discrimination.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Otherwise he is gonna get a nice BIG settlement in court.
blackcrowflies
(207 posts)I'd award him one penny.
Really, what did he expect.
Woodwizard
(845 posts)Did you bother to read the article? He did a photo shoot 20 years ago not while he was employed there.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)blackcrowflies
(207 posts)He's made the company he works for a laughing stock. That's not good for their business, and they will lose customers if he continues to be employed there. Exercise lousy judgement, it follows you through life.
booley
(3,855 posts)Sorry but I don't' buy the idea that if you posed nude two decades ago (or even 2 minutes ago) in legal publication that somehow should mark you for life.
But then that's just me I guess.
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)I remember when that ban was instituted, to many bad sex threads by people who had nothing better to do. Those threads just got in the way of what DU is for and thus banned. Thus to "save" your post from that ban remove the first photo and if it is banned say it was NOT a sex sub thread.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Or it could have been my random picture generator LOL