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missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:33 PM Nov 2014

Adrian Peterson reaches plea agreement in felony child-abuse case

Source: Yahoo Sports

Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has reached a plea agreement that will allow him to plead no contest to misdemeanor reckless assault, Yahoo Sports has confirmed.

Peterson is expected to appear in a Montgomery County (Texas) courthouse Tuesday and agree to the plea, which will allow the Vikings star to avoid a felony child-abuse conviction. Peterson will instead be sentenced to probation and community service, as well as a monetary fine. The Pro Football Talk report said Peterson would be subject to 80 hours of community service and a $2,000 fine.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/adrian-peterson-reaches-plea-agreement-in-felony-child-abuse-case-163122128.html

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Adrian Peterson reaches plea agreement in felony child-abuse case (Original Post) missingthebigdog Nov 2014 OP
Talk about a give me, Wellstone ruled Nov 2014 #1
Money always wins. nt TBF Nov 2014 #2
Abusing your child is not as bad as abusing dogs - says Michael Vick. n/t Malraiders Nov 2014 #3
People care more about abuse of domesticated animals than child abuse. They've been studies on it: Chakab Nov 2014 #9
Context... from the article you supplied. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #11
Seems like a fair enough deal. bluedigger Nov 2014 #4
"Somewhere between"? TBF Nov 2014 #7
No kidding. sybylla Nov 2014 #13
True that (nt) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #19
Spot on. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #8
"Somewhere between" ??? On what planet? ekelly Nov 2014 #16
One of my favorite quotes from "The Simpsons": bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #5
...unless they kill dogs. Chakab Nov 2014 #10
"If celebs abuse, rape or murder other human beings, people don't care as much" George II Nov 2014 #12
I don't know that I agree with you on this. missingthebigdog Nov 2014 #17
Sorry, I do not agree.... George II Nov 2014 #18
You're correct about negative press and attention JonLP24 Nov 2014 #21
He didn't actually kill anyone though JonLP24 Nov 2014 #20
I'm not sure that even amounts to a slap on the wrist. Laurian Nov 2014 #6
I think the prosecutor was afraid of the prospect of trial JonLP24 Nov 2014 #14
His kids should be taken away. They shouldn't be left to his obvious lack of mercy. Sparky 1 Nov 2014 #15
Reinstate him immediately! Baclava Nov 2014 #22
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Talk about a give me,
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:39 PM
Nov 2014

wrong message send here. Money talks and every thing else means zero. So much for being held accountable for person actions. Were are all the anti-family violence groups. This guy should be your poster child.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Context... from the article you supplied.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:32 PM
Nov 2014

"People feel more empathy with dogs than they do their own species, a new study suggests. Children, however, remain about on par as with canines."

"Contrary to popular thinking, we are not necessarily more disturbed by animal rather than human suffering," said study co-author Jack Levin, a professor at Northeastern University in a statement. "Our results indicate a much more complex situation with respect to the age and species of victims, with age being the more important component."

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
4. Seems like a fair enough deal.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:55 PM
Nov 2014

In a time of evolving social norms I think that is an appropriate sentence for an act that falls somewhere between child abuse and poor parenting. His high profile will draw more productive attention to the cause of children's rights through community service than any satisfaction society draws from punishing him with jail time after a drawn out legal fight.

sybylla

(8,514 posts)
13. No kidding.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:43 PM
Nov 2014

I wasn't aware whipping a child with a stick until he bled wasn't child abuse. That's a pretty sick definition of what is.

ekelly

(421 posts)
16. "Somewhere between" ??? On what planet?
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 04:56 PM
Nov 2014

Letting a 4 yr old stay up til 1am eating Halloween candy is poor parenting.

Drawing blood, while hitting a 4 yr old with a stick, is ABUSE!

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
5. One of my favorite quotes from "The Simpsons":
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

"This is America, Krusty - we don't put our celebrities in jail!"

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
10. ...unless they kill dogs.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:21 PM
Nov 2014



If celebs abuse, rape or murder other human beings, people don't care as much.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. "If celebs abuse, rape or murder other human beings, people don't care as much"
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:34 PM
Nov 2014

Case in point - Ray Lewis.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
17. I don't know that I agree with you on this.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 05:43 PM
Nov 2014

Ray Lewis has gotten a LOT of negative press and negative attention for this incident- well deserved, imo. The only reason we even know about it is because he is a celebrity.

Thousands of people are victims of domestic violence every day. Most of them nobody ever hears about. Punishment for domestic violence is, all too often, a slap on the wrist and an order to attend "anger management" classes. Hitting a stranger, or even an acquaintance, results in stiffer penalties.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Sorry, I do not agree....
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 06:20 PM
Nov 2014

Ray Lewis was involved in two murders, drove the getaway car, and the clothes he wore that night mysteriously disappeared.

But you're correct, thousands of people (women AND men) are victims of domestic violence, and we do hear about those that result in murder.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. You're correct about negative press and attention
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 08:41 PM
Nov 2014

but I wouldn't say well deserved as it has led to misconceptions and countless "Ray Lewis is a murderer" claims. He wasn't even involved in the fight which another witness testified too -- a lot of what we know or facts presented on what happened that night come from Ray Lewis' trial testimony in which the prosecution didn't have a case without. Even with it, the 2 men were acquitted on the grounds of self-defense even with Lewis portrayal of them as the aggressors.

Not that he came out looking like the good guy, just not in the ways other people take it. Meaning and these are assumptions on my part that I don't consider any more than a possibility is the reason he probably wasn't involved in the fight is he had a career to think about which was also probably the reason he was quick to flip on his friends and paint whatever picture the prosecutor wanted.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
20. He didn't actually kill anyone though
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 08:24 PM
Nov 2014

If say 5 people choose to do a residential burglary and one of them kills the homeowner surprised by the encounter even without input from the others all of them are typically charged with murder. He agreed to testify right away (deal to murder dropped guilty plea to obstruction of justice) against the 2 who he was with, he was basically the prosecutors' case which still wasn't enough because the jury acquitted the 2 men he was with on the grounds of self-defense. The ironic thing is he is the only one that served a sentence related to the incident.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
6. I'm not sure that even amounts to a slap on the wrist.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014

An entitlement for highly paid sports figures, I guess.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
14. I think the prosecutor was afraid of the prospect of trial
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 03:46 PM
Nov 2014

<snip>
If you change the barbecue sauce just slightly, Monroe almost tastes the same as Conroe. Both are small, predominantly white, southern towns with similar values, having cast 65 and 80 percent of their votes, respectively, for Republican candidate Mitt Romney in 2012. Monroe is about 25 miles from Charlotte, Conroe about 40 miles from Houston, where Hardin has worked for decades.

In small towns like these, Hardin says people grow up with a broader mix of people than they might in bigger cities, where people cluster in neighborhoods and schools of the same economic class.

That makes it easy for him to connect because he feels like he knows them.

In small towns, "you grow up generally in a less privileged environment, around average people, and that's who one day is on your jury," Hardin said. "I told people if I had any advantage in what I've done, is that I'm an average person. There are eons of lawyers brighter than me. I think one thing that has helped me is that because I am an average person of no more than average intelligence or ability, I think I hear things the way the average person does."

Prosecutors know what they will face if the case goes to trial. Hardin describes himself as "an incredible admirer of juries," which is almost an understatement. Before he entered private practice in 1991, he worked on the other side of the aisle as a Houston prosecutor. He did not lose a felony jury trial in more than 100 tries, including 14 death-penalty cases.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/11/03/adrian-peterson-felony-child-abuse-charge-rusty-hardin/18424029/

If information is accurate it appears his attorney is talented at connecting to red county juries and a decent chance of winning the case in areas where corporal punishment is supported even though the evidence points to violation of the law.

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Humans are emotional creatures. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys do their utmost to leverage this fact in their trial strategies. Unfortunately, this turns the courtroom from a place of facts, logic and reason into ‘theater.’ The attorneys are playing to a human audience, and they do whatever they can to engender strong feelings on the part of the jury – hate, disgust, bias, support, or sympathy. The trial becomes not about facts and logic, but about emotion and feelings. I’m familiar with one trial in which the prosecutor stated to the jury that the defense’s expert witnesses were nothing but “whores,” and were only testifying for the money. So, I suppose the prosecution’s expert witnesses were testifying pro bono – right?

http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2013/02/20/why-i-think-the-us-justice-system-is-broken-and-why-its-not-getting-fixed/

Plea bargaining is similar to any time of bargaining situation in there is the bargaining power they feel the have which varies from the actual bargaining power they actually have while estimating the other parties' true bargaining power. Prosecutor could have overestimated the defendant's attorney bargaining power in this situation.

Sparky 1

(400 posts)
15. His kids should be taken away. They shouldn't be left to his obvious lack of mercy.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 04:48 PM
Nov 2014

The "brakes" that stop healthy-minded parents from doing anything like that are not installed in Adrian Peterson's brain. He didn't realize he had done anything wrong.

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