Mob lynches Christian couple Pakistan

[demosincebirth]

Source: Rueters: Mabusher Bukhari

LAHORE Pakistan (Reuters) - Police in Pakistan arrested dozens of people on Wednesday after a mob beat a Christian couple to death and burned their bodies for allegedly desecrating a Koran.

Blasphemy is a serious offense in conservative Muslim Pakistan where those accused are sometimes lynched on the spot.

The latest incident took place in a village in Punjab province on Tuesday when a local cleric told his community through the loudspeakers of his mosque to punish the couple for burning a few pages of the Koran, a police source said.

A mob then gathered outside the house of Shehzad Masih, 32, and his wife Shama, in her 20s, dragged them out and beat them to death, police said.

Their bodies were then set on fire in a brick kiln where they worked.

"We have arrested 44 people, it was a local issue incited by the mullah of a local mosque," Jawad Qamar, a regional police chief, told Reuters.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/arrests-pakistan-christian-couple-lynched-mob-114916893.html

[freshwest]

1. Killed over printed paper. The mullah should be arrested, too.

[Archae]

4. Even money that Mullah made up the sotry about burning the Koran.

Had a beef with the two and so he made up this story to get them killed.

[Hortensis]

35. Agree. The other possibility would be suicide by Koran-burning.

[Blue_Tires]

56. +1

[KinMd]

2. The usual suspects

[Archae]

3. This is why I get angry at those who call Islam "The Religion Of Peace."

No religion is the "Religion Of Peace."

Even Buddhists at times are vicious and bloodthirsty.

[demosincebirth]

5. But, who takes the cake?

[samsingh]

27. it's far from it. and very scary

i don't think any other religion has as many forced conversions as islam does.

[Hortensis]

37. Islam has yet to undergo the loosening of religion's chokehold on society and government that

Europe saw with the Enlightenment. It seems to be happening now -- sort of -- all at once -- with increased secularization, urbanization, industrialization, education of women, the medical revolution, information revolution, second machine age, and all they mean.

People still cooking over fires and using camel urine as a disinfectant have urban cousins lounging around swimming pools and getting angioplasties. If our own conservatives won't face the changes we face here and our religious right sure they mean Armageddon must be coming any day, should we wonder at the current turmoil in Muslim nations?

Or think it is anything but a natural and inevitable phase considering the situation?

[KingCharlemagne]

76. Absurdly ahistorical and betrays a fundamental ignorance of the comparative

tolerance of Islam vs. Christianity over the past millennium.

The very classical antiquity celebrated by our precious philosophes in the Englightenment and, before that, the Renaissance, was preserved for us in the great Islamic libraries while Europe underwent the Dark Ages.

But don't let me get in the way of your recitation of fashionable anti-Muslim propaganda.

[leftynyc]

110. So how long should we wait

before being able to criticize them for not having an Enlightenment? Or should we just ignore it altogether because we wouldn't want to offend anyone's precious feelings?

[KingCharlemagne]

113. Um, before we criticize 'them' for 'not having an Englightenment,' we could start by putting

Bush and Cheney on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Since 'atrocity' is our new measure. Or we can persist in illustrating La Rochefoucauld's maxim that 'hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.'

[Hortensis]

135. My post wasn't a criticism but a sympathetic observation of the special difficulties people in

Islamic regions face. Traumatically profound religious, cultural, economic, political revolutions happening all at once. With modern military weaponry all too available.

Although Islam's fine intellectual history is as old as Islam, the simple fact is that Muslim populations of the Middle East and Africa did not undergo the century of widespread easing of religious control and opening to new ideas that Europe benefited from immediately before the start of the Industrial Revolution - over 250 years of constant change ago. Suggesting that Muslim scholars in a few great libraries reflected common, often nomadic cultures would be like suggesting that Mitch McConnell's sophistication and intellectual powers reflect those of the Kentuckians who voted for him.

[KingCharlemagne]

75. Sigh. You should re-read your history of the Crusades, my friend. Fact is, Christians (Copts

and other denominations) and Jews lived peacefully side-by-side with Muslims for many hundreds of years. When Christians conquered Jerusalem during the Crusades, the blood of the 'infidel' ran knee-deep through the streets.

My screen name's namesake in history has a very bad rep for that sort of thing. His Highness was a Christian.

[hrmjustin]

77. But not always.

There were persecutions from both religions of the other.

[KingCharlemagne]

78. Well, the topic at hand was 'forced conversions' not 'persecutions'. Even with that

much-broader standard, though, Christianity fails the tolerance test over the past millennium and Islam passes it with flying colors (imho). The poster to whom I was responding was basing his ahistorical and jejeune view on the last 50-75 years or so.

[hrmjustin]

79. That is not true. Islam persecuted Christians in the past 1,000 years as well.

We should remember that they converted many at the end of a knife just like the Christians did.

Yes we have horrific things in our 2000 years of history but there is just as many horrors in those 1400 years as well.

And yes there were forced conversions on both sides.

[KingCharlemagne]

81. OK, so we're now into the realm of 'tu quoque' false equivalences. It's been awhile

since I studied the histories of the two faiths, so I don't have relevant nor up-to-date bibliographic references at hand. I assure you, though, if you dig in a little deeper, you will find that Christianity's record is far, far worse than Islam's, whether the subject be 'forced conversion' or 'persecution.'

Something to consider: what faith did the Conquistadors represent in the New World? Or are we excluding indigenous peoples of the Americas from our moral calculus?

[hrmjustin]

82. Your point on Christianity in the New World is well taken.

But we should remember that both these religions have histories of attrocities.

[KingCharlemagne]

83. One atrocity is an atrocity too many. However, the post to which

I originally responded took a very ahistorical view that Islam had the 'most' forced conversions, thereby making it a matter of comparison and not of absolutes. On a comparative scale, Christianity at its best scores far, far worse than Islam on a bad day.

[hrmjustin]

84. Yes. i see now.

And your point is correct.

[hrmjustin]

87. I do take issue though with your view that...

... Islam was tolerant. While there were times of peace and tolerance there were many other periods of non-tolerance.

Also the first spread of the religion was done at times by Conquest just like the Christians. The Christians just did it on a bigger scale.

[Psephos]

89. really?? you're talking about 900 years ago??

50 generations have risen up and gone back into the dirt since then.

Why don't we talk about what cro-magnons did to neanderthals, or something similarly instructive?

I'm dying for your opinions about what real, living people are doing T O D A Y.

[KingCharlemagne]

91. No you're not. But I'm sure you have some opinions. So why don't you start? - nt

[samsingh]

105. we're not talking about 400 years ago

[KingCharlemagne]

109. What do you mean by 'we'? - nt

[leftynyc]

111. That would be anyone

who isn't trying to deflect from what is happening RIGHT NOW by bringing up history from hundreds of years ago.

[KingCharlemagne]

115. How about what happened from 2001-08 or is that also too far back? - nt

[leftynyc]

117. Were people being killed in the name

of Jesus Christ? Somebody ought to have told this woman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-invokes-imag_n_135977.html

You should probably inform all the Jews, Athiests, Druze, Pagans and all the other military personnel that are not Christian.

[KingCharlemagne]

120. I suppose 2001-08 was too far back for a crowd that despises history. But who could

forget the inestimable General Jerry Boykin?

Boykin, a born-again Christian has gained attention for his Christian views over the years and some of his public remarks which cast the War on Terror in religious terms have generated considerable controversy.[10] A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2004 that he had violated regulations by failing to explain these remarks were not made in an official capacity.[11]

In an October 15, 2003 speech to a community church in Oregon, Boykin was recorded stating that Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan." William Arkin, military analyst for NBC News, was the source of the video and audiotapes of Boykin. The following day the Los Angeles Times ran a piece on Boykin. Among several quotes, the article revealed Boykin giving a speech about hunting down Osman Atto in Mogadishu: "He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.' Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." [14] Boykin later clarified this statement, saying that he was implying that Atto's true "god" was money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin#Religious.2FPolitical_views_and_comments

Boykin currently heads up the Family Research Council, IIRC.

[leftynyc]

125. This is getting pathetic

So one general, who has ZERO power in our government, is an asshole and that excuses what happened here. Let me know when he gets a law passed that allows the death penalty for blasphemy. Until then all you're doing is proving Bill Maher right.

[samsingh]

132. that's your question?

[bluestateguy]

6. Now THAT is genuine persecution of Christians

It is an outrage and it is oppression. No sugar coating about it.

It is NOT persecution when a boy in a public school in Alabama is asked nicely to please respect people of other faiths or no faith at all.

[samsingh]

28. this is beyond persecution

[SoapBox]

7. Sick.

[pettypace]

8. Another Pakistan bash thread

I love how posters on this site selectively pluck headlines in order to convey a narrative to the readers.

These type of stories can be gleaned in a number of nations, including some of the western countries, but Pakistan or Iran or Egypt magically garners the most posts.

I mean the US of all places has given the world Jeffrey Dahmer, Melendez brothers, Susan Smith, Columbine and countless others.

Sue me if I'm being too PC but ya'll need to relax with the generalizing on LBN.

[ZombieHorde]

10. I think our police would be a better comparison

since both involve "mobs," as opposed to single killers or pairs of killers. Mob violence is very different than violence performed by one or two people, in my opinion.

When I say "our police" I mean the police in the US who violently suppress peaceful protests.

[Sheldon Cooper]

12. You seem to be under the impression that American killers are never discussed here.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

[SkyDaddy7]

13. Pakistan Bash thread?

A mob attacked two people in Pakistan beat them to death for allegedly tearing up paper...Had that happened in America it would be front page world news & it would be discussed far more than it is being discussed here.

"Selectively pluck headlines" You have to be kidding?

[LanternWaste]

20. We steal and kill over printed paper every day in America...

"Had that happened in America it would be front page world news..."


We steal and kill over printed paper every day in America... our sacred cow printed on paper is cash. Yet in the end, six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[SkyDaddy7]

24. WTF? Makes no sense at all...

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You are just one of those people who will go to whatever lengths needed even if that means sounding utterly ridiculous as to not say anything critical of Islam. That is really SAD.

BTW-Every country on Earth has currency printed on paper & people at times kill for it...try THINKING before come up with these ridiculous ideas all centered around never ever being critical of one certain ideology. Seriously, I bet you consider yourself a "Liberal", huh? Whatever.

[samsingh]

30. i can't believe you would try to make that comparison

printed money buys things

printed holy book is not money

[get the red out]

31. Many, many, many

democrats turn back-flips in order to protect certain areas and/or ideas from public negativity as much as possible.

[BadtotheboneBob]

46. Shhhh!

You're not suppose to bring that up.

[SkyDaddy7]

51. EXACTLY!!

Too many wannabe "Liberals" will shit themselves!!

True LIBERALS do discuss these things because they really do hurt so many people especially women!!

[SkyDaddy7]

50. SAD, huh? nt.

[hrmjustin]

14. Are you angry that this was posted or with the responses?

[leftynyc]

17. And yet another poster

who is striving to prove Bill Maher right.

[samsingh]

32. bill mayer is right

[get the red out]

33. Bill Maher

actually has balls.

[cosmicone]

38. Yep

Any day the crazies will issue a fatwa against Bill Maher and another set of crazies will try to carry it out.

Salman Rushdie still needs protection and all he did was write a book!

[Art_from_Ark]

90. There was a professor at a Japanese university who translated Rushdie's book

and was consequently killed by some fatwa nut or even by the Revolutionary Guard themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Igarashi

[cosmicone]

96. What is scary is the very very fine line

between the ultra crazies, the crazies and the normal people. When it comes to religion, most of them go off the deep end.

If one said Moses was an idiot or Jesus was an idiot or Krishna was an idiot or Buddha was an idiot, your chances of dying for saying that are zero.

Try saying Mohammad was an idiot and you'll get the post hidden here and if said in public, your odds of dying a violent death increase exponentially.

[True Blue Door]

137. Fuckin' A. Bill Maher is a real liberal.

The people who attack him are degenerates who've lost all moral will and can only attack superficial impressions.

[onenote]

18. This doesn't sound like a generalization

It sounds like a specific example of a horrible, bigoted act of extreme violence.

Doesn't it sound that way to you?

[cosmicone]

22. Stop picking on poor wittle peaceful Pakistan - stop the Islamophobia

Pakistan is a bastion of peace and humanity. There is no rabid Islamic fervor there whatsoever. Even satan worshippers are protected in Pakistan.

Pakistan has never had any terrorists on its soil, never supported Taliban or Al Q'aeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad. Pakistan never hid Usama bin Laden on its soil.

Pakistani ISI and military are humanitarian organizations bring food and medicine to the needy.

So, stop believing the news and intelligence reports. Be kind and generous to poor wittle harmless Pakistan and send more aid to join in the charitable endeavors.

Pakistan is peaceful and is the headquarters of the culture of peace.

[samsingh]

34. at least you understand - pakistan is a place where a lot of terrible things are done in the name

of religion.

[Rhinodawg]

39. Notice pettypace hits and runs.

[samsingh]

53. is there a muslim country you'd like to live in?

[samsingh]

107. and there is never an answer to a legitimate question

and bringing up the crusades - 400 fing years ago or whatever it was - as a comparison to the barbarism in countries like pakistan shows there is no interest in meaningful discussion.

i better be careful or i'll get my posts hidden

[valerief]

23. Spare us your illegit outrage. Take it up with Reuters.

Blasphemy is a serious offense in conservative Muslim Pakistan where those accused are sometimes lynched on the spot.

Now, let's speculate why John Lennon had to be killed. And was.

[Rhinodawg]

25. I hate Pakistan bash threads

lol

[samsingh]

29. they are real in pakistan - should gun shootings in the us not be posted?

try to feel for the victims

[Rhinodawg]

42. "but Pakistan or Iran or Egypt magically garners the most posts. "

and for good reasons.

get the "pluck" out of here.

[closeupready]

57. Yup, pretty much. Been here for most of DU's incarnation and yes,

you have pretty much nailed it. This site has a hard core contingent of Democrats who can be homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, Paki-phobic, racist, sexist, etc. We even have prolific members here who openly admit to once having been participating and paying member of Free Republic!

Take my advice and avoid topics like this which bear no fruit and only spread poison.

Peace to you.

[samsingh]

60. you may want to show some concern over the people that are stoned to death

or burned alive for any reason whatsoever.

the criminals you mentioned were imprisoned.

i'm not sure if the perpetrators in pakistan are put in jail.

[Comrade Grumpy]

62. I haven't noticed you posting about mob justice in Mexico, Guatemala, West Africa.

I posted some links below.

I think there's another agenda other than "concern over the people that are stoned to death or burned alive" here. And it's a smelly one. I see all the usual suspects.

[Rhinodawg]

65. Interesting.... You bash ISIS for atrocities...

but any other muslim atrocities, you take offence to.

Why is that?

[samsingh]

106. of course you do. i reply with frustration anywhere i see violence

see my posts against guns

[KingCharlemagne]

80. A little more than 50 years ago, 4 little black girls were bombed to death by white Christians. But

it's Muslim-bashing time. Gawd, it's revolting.

[demosincebirth]

88. Well, I guess it's all our fault, what ever we done in the past, that the christian couple were

burned to death. No other religion has committed atrocities like what muslims have done and are doing now in the name of allah. The Ottoman Turks slaughtered over a million Armenians
during the WW1. And they were also Christian. History tells it all. Christians in the middle ages were also guilty of some atrocities, but no comparison to the fanaticism that has gone on in the recent past and now.

[LeftInTX]

9. I didn't know that Pakistan had a 4% Christian population

[get the red out]

58. I didn't either

I didn't think they would be permitted to survive there at all.

[leftynyc]

11. Was the mulah arrested?

It appears he was the instigator and got this couple killed.

[dembotoz]

15. like pat on the 700 club

tit 4 tat

[leftynyc]

16. I have no idea what that supposed to mean

but would you point me to where Robertson called for someone to be killed and his followers answered the call. Thanks.

[dembotoz]

100. if you look at the history of christianity you will find enough examples

jonestown , branchdavdians, crusades, three inquistions, most of the european wars up to say 1900, lets not forget the extermination of the aztecs and the incas by spain.....need i go on

[leftynyc]

102. You started with Robertson

and when you couldn't answer the very simple question you start going back to

Jonestown - this guy thought he was his own g-d, there was nothing Christian about him
Branch Davidians - the same

Now you go back HUNDREDS of years to try and make your point to deflect from what's going on RIGHT NOW. That's pretty pathetic.

[dembotoz]

129. well how about uganda and gays and the evangelical blessing from this country

this all reminds me a little to much like the lead in to bush 2's invasion of iraq. I am quite frankly dismayed by this attitude here on du ...Would be more at home on a tea party site....Kill the terrorist, yest kill the terrorists. but blanket condemnation of an entire religion seems somehow beneath us or perhaps was beneath us.

i thought we were better than this

[leftynyc]

131. And that's why you'll continue

to lose this argument. Nobody here is tagging all Muslims with this crime. NOBODY. It's the clowns that insist any story that shines a light on the extremists means we're tagging all Muslims that are the problem. All you do is prove Bill Maher right - again, and again, and again. So kindly stuff your we "would be more at home at a tea party site" - it's bullshit and shows what a loser argument you make.

[dembotoz]

133. as i read the rest of the posts here i feel my position is vindicated

[leftynyc]

134. I don't think so

I see the majority agreeing with me. But whenever you want to come onto this site and prove Maher right (which is really all you're doing), I'll be here to point it out. All you're doing is a adult version of a child whining "but mooooooom, he did it first". In my opinion, that's an embarrassment.

[dembotoz]

136. nice thing about du--i dont have to give a rats ass what you think

[leftyladyfrommo]

19. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about all the Christians deaths

his wars have caused. Here he was this super Christian guy and made such a big deal out of it. The entire Christian population of the whole middle east has been decimated because of his wars.

I wonder if he even cares?

[leftynyc]

36. Yeah

I'm sure all the jihadists had their weapons held by the bush administration who FORCED them to kill all the Christians they have. How pathetic that you wont even blame the perpetrators of violence for their own acts. They're just poor widdle innocent babies who had no choice but resort to murdering Christians.

[Rhinodawg]

40. Psssssst...Its America's fault.

ITS ALWAYS America's fault !!!!!

[leftynyc]

43. Do you think they even realize

what they're saying? Do they realize that sunni and shia have been fighting for much longer than the US has even been a country? It's pathetic nonsense that excuses people who would behead every single person on this board given a chance for their liberal beliefs.

[Rhinodawg]

67. Its the "chic" to blame America.

the funny thing is they WOULD behead all of them.

[leftynyc]

92. Well, not really funny

But I believe it does cover the definition of irony. Like the chicken defending Colonial Sanders. For a group that has done unspeakable things - especially to women and children. And they should make no mistake - trying to deflect from what's happening by pointing out acts by the US or anyone else is a defense. There is no "Yeah, but...." here.

[hrmjustin]

52. They were decimated before he became president,

He made it worse for those who remained behind.

[leftyladyfrommo]

66. No. I think the Xian population was pretty stable.

Now nothing in Iraq is stable. That country is such a mess.

[hrmjustin]

70. You call 1 percent stable?

[leftyladyfrommo]

72. There were about 1,500,000 or 5. % of the population before the war.

They were the oldest contnously living population in the world. Mostly Eastern Armenians.

They have had to flee for their lives after all the ubrest there.

[hrmjustin]

73. I doubt the Christians of the ME think that they are safe.

I would not feel safe worshiping in public there.

[leftyladyfrommo]

74. no. I think it has gotten very dangerous for them there. n/t

Really, no one issafe there..

[leftyladyfrommo]

93. The xtians have gone to Kudistan

They have gone through horrible things since the war. They don't want go back. It's been absolutely awful for them since 2004.

The same thing is happening to the the Coptics in Egypt. Their churches are being burned bt thugs. They have lived in Egypt since the very early days of Christiaity.

[Yavin4]

21. And people call Bill Maher a bigot? n/t

[get the red out]

26. What can we expect?

Surely this isn't a surprise to anyone.

[jtuck004]

41. Do they lynch them like we lynch people here, or are they bad people? n/t

[Sunlei]

44. 'they've' hated Christians and Jews for centuries in that part of the world

[KingCharlemagne]

85. Sigh. No they haven't unless by 'centuries' you mean the last 100 years, since

the Brits and French stuck their noses in.

[Scairp]

45. Animals

This is why I loathe religion.

[Comrade Grumpy]

47. "Woman Accused of Witchcraft Burned Alive in Paraguay"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/paraguay-witch-burned-alive_n_6108646.html

[cosmicone]

97. But ... but ... others do it too

with lots of pouting, stomping the floor and a shrill voice.

[Comrade Grumpy]

48. "Eight Ebola Workers Killed By Mob in Equatorial Guineau"

http://time.com/3403202/guinea-ebola-mob/

[cosmicone]

98. But... but ... HE started it first ...

with lots of pouting, stomping the floor and a shrill voice.

[Comrade Grumpy]

49. "Guatemala's Lynch Mob Justice"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2000/1201/p6s1.html

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. "Pakistan police officer kills 'blasphemer' with axe"

A Pakistani policeman has been arrested after allegedly killing a man with an axe because he suspected him of committing blasphemy.

Police say Faraz Naveed struck the victim, Tufail Naqvi, on the neck and head after the latter was arrested during a street fight on Wednesday.

The victim is reported to have had a history of mental instability.
...
He reportedly blasphemed against companions of the Prophet Muhammad while in the police station. As Mr Naqvi was killed in police custody, a special board will perform the post mortem.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29933125

[samsingh]

59. i guess in pakistan you can consider anything blashemy and kill anyone.

[workinclasszero]

55. And some christians in this country claim to be oppressed

God rest their souls.

[christx30]

61. Everyone knows that when you are stopped from

saying "All F*gs go to hell" is true oppression. "They wouldn't let me scream 'f*g' at them. They are anti-Christian! They hate jesus!"

[hrmjustin]

63. I don't get why some are complaining about this being posted here.

[Comrade Grumpy]

64. OPs like this become a playground for Islamophobic bigots and Paki-bashers. That's why.

Which is not to say that this isn't a horrible, ugly incident.

[Rhinodawg]

68. How many "horrible,ugly incidents" would it take ?

[hrmjustin]

69. Are you saying it should not be posted?

[Rhinodawg]

71. To quote Cali..

"The fact remains that fundamentalism within Islam, at this point in history, is a more powerful force than it is within any of the other major religions re the manifestation of violence."

is that one of your "Islamophobe bigots"?

[KingCharlemagne]

86. I'd like to ratify your sentiments and add the most ahistorical and

absurd anti-Islamic bullshit. It's really incredible and quite unbecoming a supposedly progressive and tolerant site.

[Rhinodawg]

95. Pul-eeze

Progressive doesn't mean burying your head in the sand.

[cosmicone]

101. eyeroll ... so we are supposed to be tolerant of atrocities? n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

103. The Christian Bush killed way more innocent Muslims than the Christians ISIS

or Islamic fundamentalists in general could kill in their wildest dreams.

So spare us the cant.

[cosmicone]

104. So? We attacked Bush here day in, day out for 8+ years

Should Muslims get a pass?

[KingCharlemagne]

108. No atrocity should get a pass. But tell me again why Bush and Cheney

and other highly-placed members of that Junta are walking around freely and then we can discuss atrocities committed by Muslism.

Until then, spare me the cant.

[hrmjustin]

119. There you have a point. those evil bastards should be in jail.

[KingCharlemagne]

121. What about this evil shithead?

Boykin, a born-again Christian has gained attention for his Christian views over the years and some of his public remarks which cast the War on Terror in religious terms have generated considerable controversy.[10] A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2004 that he had violated regulations by failing to explain these remarks were not made in an official capacity.

In an October 15, 2003 speech to a community church in Oregon, Boykin was recorded stating that Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan." William Arkin, military analyst for NBC News, was the source of the video and audiotapes of Boykin. The following day the Los Angeles Times ran a piece on Boykin. Among several quotes, the article revealed Boykin giving a speech about hunting down Osman Atto in Mogadishu: "He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.' Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." Boykin later clarified this statement, saying that he was implying that Atto's true "god" was money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin#Religious.2FPolitical_views_and_comments

[hrmjustin]

124. He is scum.

[cosmicone]

128. He is an idiot but he has not killed anyone in the name of religion.

Wrong comparison

Here we are talking about people who brutally tortured and killed people in the name of religion. Not just some loudmouthed idiots in a verbal pissing contest over religion.

[demosincebirth]

139. You're comparing apples and organges. No comparison.

[cosmicone]

127. Now you are raising the bar ... typical

You were complaining about negative posts re: Muslim atrocities so you said "Bush did it too."

When pointed out that we had a lot of negative posts about Bush and he didn't get a free pass, you are raising the bar to punishment level which is not what you were complaining about at the outset.

No one who makes negative comments has the power to "punish" Bush or Cheney any more than they have the power to punish the Pakistani terrorists.

Are you saying one shouldn't complain or write anything negative unless and until the perpetrators get punished?

In any event, your disregard for the atrocities and sympathies for the perpetrators are glaring.

[hrmjustin]

118. The war was not done in the name of Christianity though.

Yes the war killed innocent Iraqi citizens and was wrong but it was nit dine in the name of Christianity.

Isis does its doings in the name of Islam.

[KingCharlemagne]

122. Someone should have told that to General Jerry Boykin, then. - nt

[hrmjustin]

123. It is true to say some supporters did think it was approved by God but that is nit what the govermen

said. Sorry but while it was wrong it was nit done in the name if Christianity.

[cosmicone]

99. Hating Islamic atrocities is NOT Islamophobia

It is the behavior and people who carry such behavior that people hate. No one hates peaceful moderate muslims going about their life without inflicting violence on others.

[Nye Bevan]

114. FYI, "Paki" is considered offensive.

http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Paki&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

You should edit to remove the slur.

[leftynyc]

116. Because they seem

to be hell bent on proving Bill Maher right.

[Skidmore]

94. I cannot convey how much I have come to loathe the Abrahimic religions...all three of them.

To deal with the catastrophic mess they have made of the Middle East is like wading into a ball of pit vipers. From those who engage in actual violence and retribution on the ground to those who live in guilded towers who fan the flames and provide the resources to those parasites who wear the robes of the clergy. Not one of these religions is "better" than the other two, historically or in the present.

[Nye Bevan]

112. Disgusting barbarians.

There are way too many stories like this.

[JNelson6563]

126. Yay religion! Spreading peace and joy like nothing else!

[muriel_volestrangler]

130. Pakistan’s first woman sentenced to death for blasphemy loses appeal

A Pakistani court upheld the death penalty on Thursday against a Christian woman accused of blasphemy, her lawyer said, in a case that drew global headlines after two prominent politicians who tried to help her were assassinated.

In 2010, Asia Bibi, a mother of four, became the first woman to be sentenced to death under Pakistan’s controversial blasphemy law.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/pakistans-first-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-blasphemy-loses-appeal/article21138660/

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218157787 from a couple of weeks ago. Plus you'll find an apologist for the blasphemy law! Isn't it amazing what you can find on DU?

[True Blue Door]

138. Islam is a problem right now. It may become enlightened in a few centuries, but right now

it is a force of barbarism. To run from that, or attack people for simply talking about present reality, is corrupt.