Appeals court upholds Michigan's gay marriage ban
Source: Detroit Free Press
A federal appeals court today denied same-sex couples the right to marry in four states, including Michigan, delivering a major blow to the gay marriage movement, which has seen 30-some wins in the last year.
The U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld same-sex marriage bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, issued its decision three months after hearing same-sex marriage cases from all four states. In each of those states, federal judges had struck down same-sex marriage bans on constitutional grounds.
Read more: http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2014/11/06/th-circuit-sex-marriage-ruling/18610117/
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randys1
(16,286 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)They've been waiting a long time to get this in front of her. Now it will go to the right wing supreme court.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...now they have conflicting rulings and will have to choose. If they uphold the bans, they'll be causing trouble for tens of thousands of people who got married int he meantime.
Burf-_-
(205 posts)This is one issue that that SCOTUS is scared to tread upon. They'll defer the issue until it becomes absolutely necessary for them to make a definitive judgement on it. So far haven't they ruled in favor of all cases brought to them by the states ? did i miss something?
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Then they should not recognize ALL marriages from those states where it has been recognized. Can you just imagine a state like Florida refusing to recognize all marriages from these states what with tourists, transplants, snowbirds? Going to be whole lot of people not in the holy, sacred, sacrement of marriage. lol No, Florida, I will not remarry in YOUR state. I will "shack up" instead.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Via Chris Johnson at the Washington Blade:
The majority decision was written by U.S. Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton, an appointee of George W. Bush who was seen as the panels swing vote on marriage.
Sutton was joined in the decision by U.S. Circuit Judge Deborah Cook, another appointee of George W. Bush. Writing the dissent in the case was U.S. Circuit Judge Martha Daughtrey, a Clinton appointee who accuses the majority of refusing to take up its responsibility to guard the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Bartlet
(172 posts)This "court" uses the Baker v Nelson case, a case even the Supreme Court has rejected as fatally flawed, and claims the Supreme Court has not rejected that ruling even though the Supreme Court never ruled on the merits of Baker. What an inane pair of clowns.
irisblue
(32,980 posts)I knew they would release after the elections.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I have no words right now.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)I have read the opinion, and I do not know who is worse. The Majority goes on and on about the changing status of same sex marriage, but given the decisions of the US Supreme Court, to permit or ban same sex marriage is something reserved to the state. That statement could have been made in two to three pages with citations. The biggest Citation to the dissent in the California case. In that US Supreme Court Case, the majority DISMISSED the case on grounds that the only people who had to right to defend the law was the Governor and Attorney General of California and when they did not no one else had standing to defend the law.
The dissent objected to that position on the grounds it undermine the whole concept of the Initiative concept, that the voters can put something on the ballot and vote it into law even if the Governor, the State legislature and the Attorney General opposed that law. Under the Majority ruling if the voters vote in such a law against the will of the Governor, the State legislature and the Attorney General, those parties can permit someone to challenge that law is such a way to get it ruled as being unconstitutional and then NOT appear that decision, thus killing that law that the voters wanted but they did not.
Anyway the dissent made it clear they would have upheld the law banning same sex marriages in California for it was a product of state law and marriage is something reserved to the states to decide. i.e. states can make same sex marriages legal or illegal, it is up to each state. That was consistent with the ruling on DOMA, for the US Supreme Court in DOMA did rule that who can marry is solely up to each state to decide NOT the Federal Government and DOMA violated that CONSTITUTIONAL Rule. Between those two cases, it is clear the Federal Constitution do NOT come into play on the issue of same sex marriage.
Instead of a nice short opinion, the Majority goes on and on about the history of marriage without actually going into that history. The reason for that is marriage has evolved over the last several thousand years and is still evolving but has more to do with who inherits what and who has a duty to support whom then who has sex with whom. Sex is an important part of any marriage, but if you look at any married couple, it is a very minor part. Who support whom, how much support are you to give to which of your spouses's relatives (which is more a working class and poor person concept then a concept for the upper middle class).
As to the Upper Middle Class, the issue who inherits what from whom. It is for this reason the Catholic Church in the Council of Trent outlawed what we call "Common Law Marriages". Such marriages where two people say to each other they were married, was the most common form of marriage prior to the Council of Trent. It remain part of rural life in Europe (and in the poor parts of most cities) till the 20th Century. This was true in Protestant Countries as while as Catholic Countries.
In the US, marriages increased as income increased in the 1940s and 1950s. Marriages stabilized and started to decline in the 1960s, as the economy went down hill. This was another factor the Majority did not want to get into, as people's economic prospects increase, the rate of marriage goes up, as their economic prospects goes down the benefit of marriage disappear and the rate of marriage decline (as has been the case since the 1970s).
These are factors in how marriage has evolved but they were factors the majority did not want to address for that meant viewing marriage as an economic partnership as opposed to a sexual relationship (it is both, but the economic part of the big part).
As to the dissent, it kept looking at the people involved and how NOT being married affects them. That is good, but how does that address the legal issue of the constitutionality of same sex marriages. I can bring in a bunch of homeless people and demand that the Constitution requires the state to give them housing for otherwise they being sleeping in the snow. The courts will say that is terrible but the Constitution contains no provision as to a right to housing, so my clients get to sleep in the snow.
My point is just because something is bad, does NOT make it unconstitutional. You need more and the decisions from the US Supreme Court are NOT that favorable to a ruling that State laws banning same sex marriage violate the US Constitution. The Dissent wanted to avoid the DOMA case, for to do so meant addressing the issue that marriage is reserved to the States.
In my opinion two badly worded decisions, where is a short concise ruling on this issue. To many judges have access to computers and law clerks and thus write these tomes.
LarryNM
(493 posts)They and Their Masters care nothing for such matters regarding the Populace, But they care Very Much about the Economic Matters. Ruling in Favor of the Bans would not do them well for 2016.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Actually embarrassed is too soft a word. Disgusted is more like it.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Especially from a real piece of work named Toby.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/06/court-sex-marriage-oh-ky/18610929/
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)Evidently to get them to hear the case this term. Encouraging is that 6th circuit rulings have been overturned by the SCOTUS 24 out of 25 times, more than any other circuit in the country.