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Mosby

(16,319 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:10 PM Nov 2014

Israel announces it won’t cooperate with UN Gaza probe

Source: Times of Israel

The Foreign Ministry announced Wednesday it would not cooperate with the UN inquiry of the summer Gaza conflict, and rejected an entry request issued by three members of the investigative committee seeking to gather evidence, leaving them stranded in Amman.

The decision not to cooperate with the probe was approved by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, the Ynet news website reported.

The Foreign Ministry said the decision came about because of the UN Human Rights Council’s “obsessive hostility” toward Israel and “one-sided mandate.” It also cited anti-Israel statements made by inquiry head William Schabas as a factor in the move.

“While Hamas fired thousands of rockets toward Israel, the UN Human Rights Council decided it would determine in advance Israel’s ‘guilt’ and set up an investigative committee to serve as a rubber stamp to its known positions,” a ministry statement said.





Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-announces-it-wont-cooperate-with-un-gaza-probe/

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Israel announces it won’t cooperate with UN Gaza probe (Original Post) Mosby Nov 2014 OP
Are you doing this because the hosts are being slow with your previous alert? uppityperson Nov 2014 #1
care to comment about this thread? Mosby Nov 2014 #4
You mean that it was locked after Hosts discussed it? And? uppityperson Nov 2014 #5
That's a shocker. War criminals don't like to be investigated. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #2
No, they sure don't. liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #10
Pretty sure this was announced leftynyc Nov 2014 #3
Israel has an abysmal record liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #9
Spare me the lecture leftynyc Nov 2014 #12
Surprise! SoapBox Nov 2014 #6
It IS a one sided mandate since over 4,000 Palestinians died and, what was it, 2 Israelis? How is Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #7
Hard to justify Caretha Nov 2014 #8
Genocide? leftynyc Nov 2014 #13
Spare me the lecture Caretha Nov 2014 #14
You just proved yourself wrong leftynyc Nov 2014 #15
What about Hama's tactics of using PR and civilians as human shield? Eridenus Nov 2014 #16
Hama's tactics Caretha Nov 2014 #18
No.... take your reply and shove it... Eridenus Nov 2014 #19
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #20
The Israeli coalition is currently collapsing. Eridenus Nov 2014 #21
Then do all Caretha Nov 2014 #22
What will the people do with winter coming nilesobek Nov 2014 #11
Except it wasn't the IDF that committed war crimes.. Eridenus Nov 2014 #17
A question for Mosby and other Israel supporters: freshwest Nov 2014 #23

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
1. Are you doing this because the hosts are being slow with your previous alert?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:11 PM
Nov 2014

Not cool. Reread SOP of LBN.

Statement of Purpose

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
5. You mean that it was locked after Hosts discussed it? And?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:58 PM
Nov 2014

Maybe you should volunteer as a host or take the complaint to ATA rather than trying to make this into meta.

"Look, if you all are going to ignore the SoP why have a IP group at all? ".

LBN SOP does not prohibit I/P.

Statement of Purpose

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
10. No, they sure don't.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 10:47 PM
Nov 2014

Especially when we back them up with endless billions of dollars and support no matter how many they kill, how much destruction they cause, or how arrogantly demanding they get with us.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. Pretty sure this was announced
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:19 PM
Nov 2014

a while ago (like a week after they left gaza). I didn't blame them then and I don't blame them now. The UN has an abysmal record when it comes to Israel.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
9. Israel has an abysmal record
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 10:42 PM
Nov 2014

when it comes to human rights, as I'm sure the thousands of Gaza residents they killed, injured or displaced in their indiscriminate destruction of more than half of Gaza ( and which was paid for largely with OUR tax dollars, which they couldn't live without, frankly), could easily attest. But I guess they're just not "human" enough, are they? Which is what is actually part of the platform of the ruling party now in Israel, Likud, which calls for the "cleansing" of the "subhuman vermin".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
12. Spare me the lecture
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:17 AM
Nov 2014

I will never deny that Israel has done some really fucked up things but we're talking about an organization that never put forward one resolution about the taliban (while they made women virtual slaves in Afghanistan - this was before 9/11). They've said barely anything about isis - an organization that also makes womens lives wretched and are beheading and crucifying people. Nothing about Saudi Arabia and their treatment of of women, nothing about Syria and what that prick al assad is doing (murdering hundreds, perhaps thousands). But Israel? Hundreds of resolutions. The UN has a pathetic record when it comes to speaking out for women. As far as foreign aid - the VAST majority goes right back into American bank accounts because they buy American weapons with the money. You want to defend that pathetic organization, knock yourself out - I'm not interested.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. It IS a one sided mandate since over 4,000 Palestinians died and, what was it, 2 Israelis? How is
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:02 PM
Nov 2014

that a reason, of course it is one side!!

Once again Isrsel proves itself worthy of being a piranha State.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
8. Hard to justify
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:06 PM
Nov 2014

Genocide.

I will never listen to any Israel defense of these actions again. The Israel state is what it is, for the whole world to see.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
13. Genocide?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:19 AM
Nov 2014

You do know what that word means, right? Hyperbole doesn't help your argument at all. Populations don't go up every single year when there is an ACTUAL genocide. You would think things are bad enough without people making hyperbolic proclamations but apparently that's become the norm here at DU.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
14. Spare me the lecture
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:56 AM
Nov 2014
gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides

the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
synonyms: mass murder, mass homicide, massacre;
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. You just proved yourself wrong
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:02 AM
Nov 2014

But don't let me get in the way of your self righteous rant. You're doing a terrific job of proving me right.

 

Eridenus

(52 posts)
16. What about Hama's tactics of using PR and civilians as human shield?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:55 PM
Nov 2014

Huh?

You do realize that most the funds that went into Gaza was spent on building illegal "terror" tunnels to Israel?

And you have the gall to call it a genocide when Palenstinians continue to kill Israelis?

One particular Israeli was someone that was connected to a family we know. It was their cousin that was killed this week.

And that Palenstinian who murdered Dalya was part of the prisoner release for Gilad Shalit?

No, you need to be lectured and lectured until you understand the viewpoint of Israel.

Yes, the leadership suck, but Israelis didn't ask for this. It's the extreme right that's asking for trouble. It's time to cull
them into a very tiny minority.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
18. Hama's tactics
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

is not acceptable either.

In your opinion, do you think it warranted the deaths of over 4000 Palestinians?

I don't understand your last sentence. Who needs to be "culled" to a "very tiny minority"?

The Israeli's leadership?

If so, whose responsibility is that?

Since 2000, 1,185 Israelis and 9,100 Palestinians civilians have died. So take your lectures and stuff it. I say that in the kindest way I know how.

 

Eridenus

(52 posts)
19. No.... take your reply and shove it...
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:23 PM
Nov 2014

I meant that the kindest way possible.

You know nothing of Hamas and the fact that they *REFUSED* to sit down and talk ceasefire and rejected several times for over 50 days.

Hamas' charter calls for a complete destruction of Israel.

Nope, Hamas has no credibility right now. The Hamas leader is hiding in Qatar, with the emir's help, and doing nothing to help the Gazans.

All the money that's going through Gaza is still being fed to terrorism.

Want proof? Here:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hamas-claims-it-is-rebuilding-infiltration-tunnels-into-Israel-379206

Response to Eridenus (Reply #19)

 

Eridenus

(52 posts)
21. The Israeli coalition is currently collapsing.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:31 PM
Nov 2014

Kadima does not want anything to do with Nuttyahoo.

One of the ministers resigned last week, and Lipini accepted the resignation, and warned Nuttyahoo that coalition's collapsing.

It's time for a new election and remove all right-wing leadership from Israel, and hopefully pull Israel to the left-center, creating a new coalition that completely leaves the Likudniks and the right-wing organizations in the wind.

I have family in Israel, and I care about them. They told me that Nuttyahoo is on the outs.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
22. Then do all
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:37 PM
Nov 2014

you can to make sure that happens.

Then Israel & Palestine might be able to come to peace.

Until then, no good will come from freaks and political coalitions like Likudniks and "Nuttyahoo"...and people who live in Israel will suffer.

Netanyahu is not only nuts, he is a psychopath and a very dangerous evil man.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
11. What will the people do with winter coming
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:06 AM
Nov 2014

and half the place is destroyed? It gets real wet and cold there when the wind whips up the Med. The problem with committing war crimes and ignoring the fallout is that you become a pariah state. The evidence is there for the world to see, even though the US media has long forgotten about it. But the media has not forgotten 9/11, they are ramming that all the time ever since it happened. The casualty figures of 4000 dead in Gaza are roughly what we lost on 9/11, yet somehow their (the Gazans) loss will be ignored.





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Eridenus

(52 posts)
17. Except it wasn't the IDF that committed war crimes..
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:56 PM
Nov 2014

It was the Hamas who did.

They committed and broke every rule in the UN playbook.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. A question for Mosby and other Israel supporters:
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 10:23 PM
Nov 2014

Hasn't the state of Israel been in a state of war with Palestinians since its inception? With just truces and cease fires and both sides biding their time to fight again?

It seems like these actions are merely breathers in the middle of a period of warfare. I'm not talking of the intent just now.

I'm asking about it in the legal or perhaps in the sense of the reality on the ground. This is not an unknown phenomena, of decades of warfare, from the daily or banal form to the most violent forms.

I'd appreciate an answer in the spirit this being asked. Is the I/P a war of two states, or one?

My contention is that it is one state that has been meshed in a civil war, no matter what it's called. And there will be no peace until they come to an agreement.

The Palestinians see the land as theirs; the Israelis see the land as theirs. They will not give up that territory, no matter what anyone says.

So all the resolutions and foreign outrage mean nothing in the long run.

JMHO.

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