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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:05 PM Nov 2014

U.S. Marshals Service Reportedly Gathering Phone Data Through Airborne Surveillance

Source: Washington Post

By Ellen Nakashima November 13 at 8:05 PM

The U.S. Marshals Service is harvesting large amounts of data from Americans’ cellphones through devices mounted on airplanes in an effort to locate fugitives, according to two individuals familiar with the activity.

The program operates Cessna aircraft from at least five metro-area airports and collects data from law-abiding Americans as well as criminal suspects, according to the Wall Street Journal, which first reported the story Thursday.

According to the Journal, the planes are equipped with two-foot-square devices — sometimes called “dirtboxes” — that mimic cell towers and trick cellphones into reporting their unique registration information and general location.

The Marshals Service, which protects the federal judiciary and apprehends federal fugitives, is a component of the Justice Department.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-marshals-service-reportedly-gathering-phone-data-through-airborne-surveillance/2014/11/13/d1a863d6-6b8b-11e4-a31c-77759fc1eacc_story.html

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U.S. Marshals Service Reportedly Gathering Phone Data Through Airborne Surveillance (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2014 OP
We're frogs in a pot. truthisfreedom Nov 2014 #1
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #2
Sourced from the WSJ, which was apparently sourced from Reuters. longship Nov 2014 #3
How can they get a warrant? NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #4
I suspect it depends on what data they are collecting exactly. cstanleytech Nov 2014 #7
Duh..... George II Nov 2014 #5
Who ISN'T gathering "data" on me? 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #6
No shit. And why do we still have crime? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #11
Thought Google was fined BadgerKid Nov 2014 #8
I checked and it looks like they got fined in S Korea and Germany for it cstanleytech Nov 2014 #9
In case you all didn't know it, it isn't a democracy any more ... blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #10
outrageous nt grasswire Nov 2014 #12
Privacy DOA CrispyQ Nov 2014 #13

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Sourced from the WSJ, which was apparently sourced from Reuters.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

However, both the WSJ and the WaPo have excellent reportage. (Ignore WSJ editorials.)

This story, although sourced from the WSJ, is under the byline of a WaPo reporter with credentials in the field of interest.

Ellen Nakashima is a national security reporter for The Washington Post. She focuses on issues relating to intelligence, technology and civil liberties.


As crazy as this seems, it appears that this is real (at least at this point).

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
4. How can they get a warrant?
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:09 AM
Nov 2014

"...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." If you are flying a plane, you don't have a clue where you are searching. This just searches multiple homes at once in an illegal dragnet.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
7. I suspect it depends on what data they are collecting exactly.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 01:48 AM
Nov 2014

If its just the ID of the phones and not the content of the conversations being held and or the messages being sent then they probably would argue before the court that the phones are broadcasting that basic info of location for all to see thus its legal.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
11. No shit. And why do we still have crime?
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:53 AM
Nov 2014

With all the gadgets they have and the privacy we've given up, I figure crime should have come to a screeching halt like last week.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
9. I checked and it looks like they got fined in S Korea and Germany for it
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:07 AM
Nov 2014

but the fine they paid in the US was for impeding the investigation but not for gathering the data I believe.
As for this case its going to depend on what they are doing exactly as I said before, if its gathering up the contents of phone conversations and or text messages then its clearly a violation of the law if however its only the location of the phones then I doubt the courts will object.

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