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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:41 AM Jan 2015

Paris attacks: France to deploy 10,000 troops

Source: BBC

France is mobilising 10,000 troops to boost security after last week's deadly attacks, and will send thousands of police to protect Jewish schools.

Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said troops would be in place from Tuesday evening in sensitive areas.
...
Interior Minister Bernard Cazaneuve announced that nearly 5,000 members of the security forces would be sent to protect France's 717 Jewish schools, and that troops would be sent as reinforcements over the next two days.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30774114



In 2012 there was an attack on a Jewish school and French soldiers by a "lone wolf" Islamic criminal similar to the recent ones, so that may be why they are concentrating on the schools:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings

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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
1. Leaving a lot of other targets... We will never be secure from this. Have to find a way to
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jan 2015

live together.

I haven't found out how many people we have killed, both "enemies" as well as innocent children and adults, in the Mid East since our 29 bombing runs over Iraq and Syria on New Years day, and others since.

Bunch of broken people on both sides.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
2. There can never be a way to live together unless murderous fanatics are stopped.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jan 2015

The types who do or want to do this type of thing are a very, very small minority.

There is a very large Muslim population in France and coexistence hasn't been a problem. It may well be true that the severe difficulties in employment for young people, esp. in the banlieues, is creating a more radicalized population - but most of the "radicals" are really criminals who are seeking justification for their behavior, it looks to me.

Believe me, devout Muslims don't drink, do drugs, traffic drugs, etc.

In every society, there are few of these types.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. I propose we stop electing them, and show the other folks it can be done.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jan 2015

Take our war spending, do something else for a time.

Put all the Cheneys and generals in the french fry serving and walmart register operating business , take all those existing employees and staff new energy centers and space exploration ports - with on site training and even education - with the money instead.

We could show the little ISIS bastards. For every American they kill, we put up a school over there, or whatever some local village needs. The thuggish murderers - less glory that than being called a "terrorist" - are gonna have a damn site harder time drumming up support, and it would be really distracting.

And start a jobs program here worthy of our multi-trillion economy, one that isn't a sad joke.

But yeah, what you said. There are always some, but we have given them reason, and money, to get bigger.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. Religous extremists, no matter what religon, have no desire bo live together with those who do not
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:27 AM
Jan 2015

agree with them.

Religious extremists do not always resort violence.

Here in the US, most of the time, they elect members to state and Federal Government who pass highly discriminatory laws. Occasionally, religious extremists here murder Doctors in churches, blow up women's clinics, or kill innocent people in rampages through places like the Holocaust Museum. Most of the time, they work to control the law and make those of us who are willing to get along miserable.

Even those who chose to work within our framework of laws have no desire to get along.

Religious extremist's goal is to force everyone else to live as they do.

The vast majority of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindu's, Sikhs, and other religious folk are content to content to get along.

There is a tiny percentage that will never get along because their GOD tells them they can not get along.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. "There is a tiny percentage" < And they get an outsized voice because the rest of us don't
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jan 2015

speak loud enough.

We can't, though, until more voices join in. And that's where the work needs to be done. Our opponents deserve a higher quality response, have to figure out a way to provide that, minimize their effect. Tough after decades of going along though.

Else the few will win disproportionately large victories by being persistent. Like cockroaches.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
11. The media megaphone is dificult to silence, because rousing fear keeps people watching...
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jan 2015

which gets advertisers to pay...
Which gives a better return to investors...
Who only care about the money.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
12. Never will or should silence it. But if we want people to discriminate in their listening we have to
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jan 2015

teach them that they are being manipulated, and by whom.

But starting at a very young age we start manipulating our young, turning them into cannon fodder and employees, and forego much teaching of analysis, music, the things that make you question and think. You can't manipulate people AND teach them how to resist it at the same time if you want to pretend at control.

We have to set aside our fear of losing control and shoot for something greater, like we used to. As long as we are too fearful to do that, it isn't the media megaphone that's the problem.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
6. A school administrator thinks her school may have been the target
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jan 2015

Paris shootings: Jewish school ‘likely target’ of gunman Coulibaly
Yaguel Yaacov official says she has strong presumption her school, not kosher supermarket, was jihadi’s real target
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/paris-shootings-jewish-school-target-amedy-coulibaly

The Montrouge synagogue and school are located about 100 yards from the site of the shooting, and local residents say they are convinced that it was Coulibaly’s original target but he was thwarted by the car crash.

An employee of a garage located at the scene of the shooting, who did not wish to be identified, said: “If you’re in a car with automatic weapons, you’re on your way somewhere.” Others suggested Coulibaly might have decided to kill the police officer after noticing her uniform, or because he was afraid that he might be stopped with weapons in his car.

Cazeneuve said the police did not know for sure whether the jihadi was on his way to the school, according to Hacoun. “But we’ve got a very strong presumption that he was,” she added.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
10. Yes, another sad layer. More from another article, looks like many in the neighborhood think this.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jan 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/paris-jewish-community-shock-terror-attacks-amedy-coulibaya

In the southern district of Montrouge, where Coulibaly shot a policewoman dead on Thursday morning, residents said they were convinced he had originally intended to attack a Jewish school and synagogue less than 100 yards away from the shooting.

“Everyone thinks he was on his way to the school,” said an employee in the La Ronde des Pains bakery, who rushed out when he heard gunshots just after 8am on Thursday a few yards away on the avenue Pierre Brossolette. “At first I thought it was a joke, but then I saw everyone running away and came back inside.”

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“It was the accident that prevented him from going there (to the school),” said Tlilli. Coulibaly only needed to turn right at the next traffic lights to reach the school and synagogue on the Rue Gabriel Péri.

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Jeannine Barsac’s chemist shop, which she runs with her husband Christian, was closed when the shooting took place a few yards away. She has no doubt that “the real target was the school. We think he shot the policewoman when he saw the uniform.”


Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
9. You can't, but this is evidently a response to the pattern of attacks against Jewish targets.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

You can make it a lot more difficult, and it sends a message about what will and will not be accepted.

The bottom line is that the perps here were criminals under French law BEFORE the attacks. If the French got serious, they could go in and take out a huge bunch of these people. They haven't yet; I suspect they will.

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