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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:34 PM Jan 2015

Manager 'truly sorry' for blowing up hedge fund

Source: CNBC

A hedge fund manager told clients he is "truly sorry" for losing virtually all their money.
Owen Li, the founder of Canarsie Capital in New York, said Tuesday he had lost all but $200,000 of the firm's capital—down from the roughly $100 million it ran as of late March.

"I take responsibility for this terrible outcome," Li wrote in a letter to investors, which was obtained by CNBC.com.

"My only hope is that you understand that I acted in an attempt—however misguided—to generate higher returns for the fund and its investors. But even so, I acted overzealously, causing you devastating losses for which there is no excuse," he added.

Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102356275



Lose almost $100 million, I guess a sincere "sorry" is good enough.
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Manager 'truly sorry' for blowing up hedge fund (Original Post) FLPanhandle Jan 2015 OP
im surprised he wasnt tossed out a window like the others belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #1
The day is young. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #9
ok that was funny belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #10
I am sure they will understand and accept his apology rurallib Jan 2015 #2
Well, *pfffft*, everybody makes mistakes now and then. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2015 #3
"That big thing down there is AMAZING! christx30 Jan 2015 #21
"I'm writing to you from an undisclosed location" louis-t Jan 2015 #4
Li, is that you? merrily Jan 2015 #6
I hope Carnasie Capital and Li are lawyering up. That apology is a lawsuit waiting to happen. merrily Jan 2015 #5
"truly" Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #7
Yup, it trickled up. The investors need to hear that. LuckyLib Jan 2015 #8
Or he could try this approach . . . hatrack Jan 2015 #11
Hell, I thought I knew all the Monty Python skits. FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #12
hatrack, play it again when appropriate for DOJ and the bankers. nt NCjack Jan 2015 #14
Did he go long on oil, expecting it to keep rising? Pathwalker Jan 2015 #13
Most likely got sliced and diced by the Swiss franc. Lucky Luciano Jan 2015 #15
Hanging him would make a great example! Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #16
seems like an Onion article Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #17
Savvy! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #18
As long as you're truly sorry I guess it's okay. Kablooie Jan 2015 #19
Believe It Or Not, This Isn't A Big Deal Tace Jan 2015 #20

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
3. Well, *pfffft*, everybody makes mistakes now and then.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jan 2015

No big deal. Now step out onto this ledge and tell me whay you see down there...............

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. "That big thing down there is AMAZING!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jan 2015

It needs a big name. Big and round... round... ound... GROUND! I wonder if it'll be friends with me?"

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
7. "truly"
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jan 2015

Well, he said he is *truly* sorry. I can accept that, but a simple "I'm sorry" without the "truly" would have been a different story.

More than likely, all of that lost money is now in the hands of even bigger weasel hedge fund managers than Li.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
15. Most likely got sliced and diced by the Swiss franc.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

More people than I thought had shorted the Swissy vs the Euro on expectations that the Swiss would not allow the pair to breach the 1.20 level that the Swiss National Bank set up to prevent the franc from getting too strong. The SNB had to sell a lot of francs and buy a lot of Euros to do this. With the onset of European QE, the SNB decided to drop the peg forcing s spectacular strengthening of the Franc vs the Euro only a couple days after the SNBsaid the peg was vital.

Why did some people do this? Because they believed the SNB, so they felt safe shorting the EURCHF pair and collecting the interest rate differential between the franc and the Euro - Francs have an even lower rate than Euro. A classic carry trade in other words - where extremely low volatility coupled with interest rate differences generates returns. Dropping the peg caught these people off guard and they got clobbered by an initial 41% move that settled to a 20% move. Before that, a one standard deviation move for the entire YEAR (as opposed to a one day move) was 1.75%.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
19. As long as you're truly sorry I guess it's okay.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:02 AM
Jan 2015

Now put this gun to you're head and pull the trigger so I can be sorry that you're dead.

Tace

(6,800 posts)
20. Believe It Or Not, This Isn't A Big Deal
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jan 2015

Hedge funds, by definition, are funds for wealthy people to invest money that they can easily afford to lose. They generally take more risk in order to potentially generate higher returns.

This is stated up front by a hedge fund when someone seeks to invest with them.

Nobody is eating cat food or had their retirement wiped out.

It's embarrassing for a hedge fund manager to lose the funds, but it is clearly stated as a definite possibility in paperwork that investors must sign in order to invest.

Owen Li may just turn around and start another hedge fund. And, he may find wealthy people willing to invest.



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