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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 05:10 PM Jan 2015

12-Year-Old Queens Girl Shot In Head Calls 911 After Father Murders Family

Source: AP

NEW YORK (AP) -- In the quiet of a pre-dawn Saturday on a dead-end street, a father came home and shot his family in their heads, leaving women in three generations dead and a wounded 12-year-old girl calling 911, police said.

"What I did, I cannot come back from," Jonathon Walker told his brother by phone soon afterward, police said. And Walker did not come back - police said he killed himself in his car on a desolate street a few miles away, ending a burst of violence that stunned relatives who said the family hadn't shown signs of trouble.

The 34-year-old security guard had killed his 7-year-old daughter, Kayla Walker; his 31-year-old girlfriend, Shantai Hale; and Hale's mother, Viola Warren, 62. His and Hale's older daughter, whom a relative identified as Christina Walker, was hospitalized in stable condition, police said.

Investigators were trying to trace Walker's movements before the shooting as relatives struggled to comprehend shootings that struck them as inexplicable.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/24/girl-shot-in-head-calls-911_n_6538544.html



Guns are handy.
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12-Year-Old Queens Girl Shot In Head Calls 911 After Father Murders Family (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2015 OP
WTF?! sakabatou Jan 2015 #1
he had domestic violence issues and had been arrested — still had a gun. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #2
Guns, buy them for home defense, Use them to kill your family. nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #3
The assailant was a security guard. branford Jan 2015 #4
NYC clearly is NOT a mecca for gun control crim son Jan 2015 #5
I'm a lawyer in NYC. There are few places in the USA with stronger gun control than here. branford Jan 2015 #7
How would you suggest solving these problems? mahannah Jan 2015 #16
You work for the NRA??? blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #17
NYC clearly is NOT a mecca for gun control sweetapogee Jan 2015 #19
If you ignore the firearm, you're delusional. #substituteaknifeforarealdebate nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #8
The number of cases where murder suicide is carried out adieu Jan 2015 #11
That does not mean that fewer guns would result in fewer murder suicides. branford Jan 2015 #12
Pretty simple logic if your entire mind is not just focused on guns 24/7. Ease of use for killing. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15
He had domestic violence problems, the police knew, and he still got an Nay Jan 2015 #18
The Zombie Lie of guns as self defence is getting thousands killed for no reason. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #6
Don't do that!! pocoloco Jan 2015 #14
Another good guy with a gun turns out to be a bad guy perdita9 Jan 2015 #9
If only every man woman and child had a gun............. rurallib Jan 2015 #10
They are all responsible gun owners until they aren't. Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #13

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
2. he had domestic violence issues and had been arrested — still had a gun.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jan 2015
While Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said police had taken reports for domestic incidents at the home in 2005 and 2006 for "nominal matters" and Walker had been arrested twice in now-sealed cases, relatives said they weren't aware of any family strife or concerns about Walker.


This is a tragedy.


 

branford

(4,462 posts)
4. The assailant was a security guard.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jan 2015

His weapon was probably owned for professional purposes, and NYC is already a mecca for gun control.

It's also quite likely that a healthy 34 year old man could have killed a 7 year old girl and 31 and 62 year old women without much difficulty with a knife, blunt object or even his bare hands.

The story is an absolute tragedy, but if you focus on the firearm, you're missing the forest for the trees.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
5. NYC clearly is NOT a mecca for gun control
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jan 2015

if a man with a history of violence is allowed to possess a firearm, professionally or otherwise. This is exactly the sort of loophole that we "gun haters" want to see closed. And please don't assume all we do is focus on the weapon. What we do is acknowledge the use of a gun in yet another murder, because we've become tired of pretending guns aren't part of the problem.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
7. I'm a lawyer in NYC. There are few places in the USA with stronger gun control than here.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jan 2015

I assume one of two circumstances existed: (1) there was a legal basis to seize the firearm, but the authorities did not act, which is not an issue of gun control laws, but rather government incompetence, or (2) his "history of violence" did not actually constitute a constitutional basis to seize the gun, i.e., he had no felony or relevant convictions or there was no actual adjudication of an immediate and serious threat, such as a domestic violence order of protection.

sweetapogee

(1,168 posts)
19. NYC clearly is NOT a mecca for gun control
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

In other news, it has been decided that water is not wet. Details at 6.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
11. The number of cases where murder suicide is carried out
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jan 2015

without the use of a gun is minuscule compared to the number of cases where murder suicide is carried out with a gun.

Firearms allow people to make that decision to do so.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
12. That does not mean that fewer guns would result in fewer murder suicides.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jan 2015

One simply needs to look to Japan to make that fact self-evident.

I'm also interested in reading a more detailed article concerning the incident. I'm curious if there was an actual legal basis for the authorities to seize the firearm or commit the assailant to mental health treatment, and they simply screwed-up.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. Pretty simple logic if your entire mind is not just focused on guns 24/7. Ease of use for killing.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jan 2015

Nay

(12,051 posts)
18. He had domestic violence problems, the police knew, and he still got an
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jan 2015

armed security guard job??? How the hell?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. The Zombie Lie of guns as self defence is getting thousands killed for no reason.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jan 2015


"If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."

Cheryl Wheeler

"Published on Dec 17, 2012

After the events of Friday December 14, 2012, I could not get this song out of my head.
I felt I had to re- record the song with Yoli Bam performing the vocals.

Thank you to the great Cheryl Wheeler for writing such a simple yet profound song."
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