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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 10:31 AM Oct 2014

Charles Pierce: The Country Simply Can't Go On Like This

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Man_With_The_Disease


What we had in the AIDS epidemic was political opportunism married to what became obvious ignorance. What we are seeing now, promulgated by a conservative bubble machine that has built a self-sustaining universe around itself, is political opportunism married to an active campaign of disinformation. This is a terrible thing. The people making a profit out of it are people who are too lazy to mug old ladies or swindle the blind. The people making a profit out of it are people without consciences, people who are as free of patriotism as they are free of the inconveniences of having a soul. These are dangerous people, and it's far past time for the honorable people in my profession to stop treating them like the worthless hacks they are. They are no longer cute. They are no longer funny. They are no longer the respectable "other side" of some fanciful imaginary political debate. They are dangerous propagandists. They are peddling poisonous lies and putting people's lives at risk. Every journalist who treats them as anything else, and every politician who treats them as anything else, are actively abetting evil.
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The country simply cannot go on this way, with one of our two political parties completely insane, and with a counter-cultural universe that claims the right to promulgate its own science as equal to the science produced by actual scientists, and with this dangerous lunacy treated as legitimate by powerful people who ought to know better. As I once wrote, it doesn't matter how many people vote for the anti-gravity party, you still can't flap your arms and fly to the moon. A dangerous disease is not a matter of debate. Your profitable fantasy and the reality of the disease do not deserve an equal place in the discussion of what we as a society will do about the disease. The response is going to have to be precise and empirical. It is going to have to be impatient with cant, and immune to the delusions on which demented ideology feeds.
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Charles Pierce: The Country Simply Can't Go On Like This (Original Post) antigop Oct 2014 OP
Pierce is right, and the wisest among us either aren't that wise, or are in on it. Scuba Oct 2014 #1
The wisest among us are kept from power. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #5
And the dumbest of them get promoted to hosting "Meet the Press." calimary Oct 2014 #17
+1 billion MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #2
The drift away from reality pscot Oct 2014 #3
can you please explain that? thanks ALBliberal Oct 2014 #34
Carter saw the future and told us we had to get ready for it pscot Oct 2014 #39
That, Sir, Is A Thing Of Beauty The Magistrate Oct 2014 #4
^^^^ freshwest Oct 2014 #20
Amen, and again I say Amen. nt Hekate Oct 2014 #23
"Knowledge is power" was posted in the hallway of my elementary school all those years ago. world wide wally Oct 2014 #6
I'm sure that sign's been replaced with a crucifix or picture of Jesus by now. mountain grammy Oct 2014 #12
I could not agree more. the propaganda media is run by and for a group of utterly evil people. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #7
The propaganda media is indeed nothing more than evil men with money and no morals who Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #8
Well if they want to feel victimised, I say let's give them a good reason to own that title... Volaris Oct 2014 #9
It would be simple as a federal law prohibiting federally licensed radio and TV stations from Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #10
yep. I know. it's one of my repeated hot issues when I post. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #19
Sometimes it's good to know you are not the only one that feels that way............ wandy Oct 2014 #11
And all of us who DO know better get off our asses and VOTE next month!!!! calimary Oct 2014 #18
Damn Stright!. They have already sent the info and I expect the ballot in the mail......... wandy Oct 2014 #22
What I also do is look over who's supporting whom and what. calimary Oct 2014 #33
Great piece by CP, as always, mountain grammy Oct 2014 #13
Explosively on-target, as usual hatrack Oct 2014 #14
I repeat: If you don't have Pierce bookmarked for daily reading, you're cheating yourself. (nt) Paladin Oct 2014 #15
Agree Totally colsohlibgal Oct 2014 #16
The problem is, kids are busting their asses in school, going into deep debt, then getting shitty whereisjustice Oct 2014 #21
+1 840high Oct 2014 #30
K&R ReRe Oct 2014 #24
I say that about more and more... New Orleans Strong Oct 2014 #28
Did you happen to see Bill Maher last night? ReRe Oct 2014 #31
My god. Read this. Just read it. Read the whole thing. Click the link! TygrBright Oct 2014 #25
That's how it hit me too, Bright. ;-) n/t ReRe Oct 2014 #32
I'm willing to bet that if GOP takes over the Congress TRoN33 Oct 2014 #26
k and r niyad Oct 2014 #27
Oh yes it can go on, and thrive. "THE FAMILY" is calling the shots. After 60 years, they finally own blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #29
I agree 100% with the gist of the article, but... tomp Oct 2014 #35
Huge K&R raouldukelives Oct 2014 #36
vaccines and epidemics greymattermom Oct 2014 #37
Texas officials were not set up to handle Biometrics and HazMat without Medicaid Expansion. DhhD Oct 2014 #38
but nothing will be done about it Doctor_J Oct 2014 #40

pscot

(21,024 posts)
3. The drift away from reality
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 11:14 AM
Oct 2014

started when the country rejected Jimmy Carter for Morning in America. We've come so far I don't believe you can even see it from where we are now.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
39. Carter saw the future and told us we had to get ready for it
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:18 AM
Oct 2014

He put solar panels on the White House and told us to put on a sweater instead of turning up the heat. It was the political equivalent of urging us to eat our broccoli. Reagan's campaign slogan was "It's morning in America". We don't need no stinking solar panels. All our problems could be solved by cutting taxes and letting the "free market" rip. Carter was just a sad sack who didn't understand American Exceptionalism. Reagan was Dr. Painless, and the voters lapped it up. So did the Democrats in Congress.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
6. "Knowledge is power" was posted in the hallway of my elementary school all those years ago.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
Oct 2014

Now we have become a nation that scoffs at knowledge and embraces ignorance.
The devious are leading the blind and the people who don't care just don't care YET.
I'm pretty convinced that they will sooner than we think, but even at that, it will be too late

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. I could not agree more. the propaganda media is run by and for a group of utterly evil people.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

The poisonous influence needs to be understood, and dismantled.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. The propaganda media is indeed nothing more than evil men with money and no morals who
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:01 PM
Oct 2014

use the charlatans and hucksters in the media because they both are in on the scam and profit from it.

Dismantling it? You can barely point it out without being attacked, note how Obama's mild rebuke of Fox Propaganda is met with howls of protest and victimhood from all quarters.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
9. Well if they want to feel victimised, I say let's give them a good reason to own that title...
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oct 2014

Not for profit newsrooms, in every broadcast station and cable in the US, and you don't have to comply, but if you don't you're LEGALLY required to call what you're doing entertainment, and not news. If you dont, the Federal govt. reserves the right to yank your corporate charter, shut down your business and sell off the pieces to the LOWEST bidder.
Because Fuck You, THAT'S why.
It will happen ONCE, and then this will never be a problem again.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. It would be simple as a federal law prohibiting federally licensed radio and TV stations from
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:37 PM
Oct 2014

broadcasting lies, not so simple, but doable.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
11. Sometimes it's good to know you are not the only one that feels that way............
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:42 PM
Oct 2014
The country simply cannot go on this way, with one of our two political parties completely insane, and with a counter-cultural universe that claims the right to promulgate its own science as equal to the science produced by actual scientists, and with this dangerous lunacy treated as legitimate by powerful people who ought to know better.

Thank you Mr.Pierce

wandy

(3,539 posts)
22. Damn Stright!. They have already sent the info and I expect the ballot in the mail.........
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 03:46 PM
Oct 2014

any day now.
Voting by mail is a wonderfully thing. On local things you can sit at the PC and do some research on those local referendums before you vote.

If they were serious about this voter fraud stuff they would encourage vote by mail.
Oh wait. That would make it too easy. It would make it simple to separate the wheat from the chaff. Defiantly not what Mr. Jim Crow wants.

calimary

(81,297 posts)
33. What I also do is look over who's supporting whom and what.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 09:32 PM
Oct 2014

Sometimes in your voter info guide (ours, and our ballots, just came here in CA), those in favor and against the propositions are listed. That'll tell you a lot. If you can, try, quickly, to scan those bottom credits in the fine print, at the very end of all the TV campaign commercials. It'll tell you who's funding that spot. Yes it's only a moment but you can grab a glimpse of various oil companies, or Blue Cross or some sort of weasel-worded "Americans for Getting Free Stuff and Not Having To Pay Any Taxes" or "Freedom-Freedom Foundation" or "True-Blue Patriots of USA USA USA" or "Voters for Freedom to Be Wealthy and Get Free Stuff..." That's generally a tip-off that it's a wrong-wing scam of some sort and you shouldn't be lulled. Often if the complaint is about how costly it is, it's a GOP thing. And don't worry if you missed all the fine print. That damn commercial will re-run, and re-run, and re-run.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
13. Great piece by CP, as always,
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:51 PM
Oct 2014

now start naming names and specifics besides Laura Ingraham. Stewart and Colbert have been calling them out for years.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
16. Agree Totally
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:55 PM
Oct 2014

Until we break the two party monopoly, both parties co-opted by Wall Street etc, we will keep heading downhill to who knows where - at least 99% of us will. But if 99% have nothing to lose I'm not sure it would be a bargain for the 1%. Something for the gilded set to ponder.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
21. The problem is, kids are busting their asses in school, going into deep debt, then getting shitty
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 03:33 PM
Oct 2014

jobs when they graduate. If they are lucky. So we tell our kids they have to work harder in school, they go even deeper in debt and every job worth a damn is finding its way to India and China.

Then they look at Facebook, MSFT, etc and see multi-billionaires without a college education, or they see kids on trust funds, jetting around the world complaining about taxes and regulations.

Stop sending millions of jobs a year to Asia. Stop importing 10s of thousands of jobs a year from Asia via the H1B programs.

As it stands, the harder kids work in school, the harder it is becoming for them to make a good living on their own and they go deeper into debt. Which ultimately leads to the question, who is higher education really benefiting?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. K&R
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 04:17 PM
Oct 2014

I hope everyone takes time to read this essay all the way through. I think it's one of Charlie Pierce's best of late.

New Orleans Strong

(212 posts)
28. I say that about more and more...
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 07:25 PM
Oct 2014

...of this national treasure's every goddamn, on the mark, piercing - if you will, works of political all art. His 4th of July piece. His epic, "Reign of the Morons". He makes so much sense through and with only truth, but nobody seems to value that now, And the comments from people you want to have over for supper... No! The weekend!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
31. Did you happen to see Bill Maher last night?
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 08:48 PM
Oct 2014

I thought the same thing about that group (minus the black Republican.) Yeah, Charlie would be a good one to have over for dinner party with other like minds, for sure.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
25. My god. Read this. Just read it. Read the whole thing. Click the link!
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 06:21 PM
Oct 2014

Just do it! READ IT!

And then forward it, and forward it, and forward it. Make a meme out of it. Post it on Facebook, post it on Reddit and Tumblr and tweet the hell out of it.

Here's the money shot, but READ THE WHOLE THING ANYWAY:

"...it doesn't matter how many people vote for the anti-gravity party, you still can't flap your arms and fly to the moon."

Send this to your crazy brother-in-law, to the wackjob cousin, to all the yobs and bozos who keep forwarding those annoying Libertarian and right-wing emails to you.

This is more than good.

gratefully,
Bright

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
26. I'm willing to bet that if GOP takes over the Congress
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 06:39 PM
Oct 2014

I would expect big terrorist attack on American soil because terrorists knew it will easily push the paranoid button of Republicans so they can have a 'reason' of the impeachment of President Obama. Terrorists literally are far more fearful of Obama over Republicans.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
29. Oh yes it can go on, and thrive. "THE FAMILY" is calling the shots. After 60 years, they finally own
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 08:22 PM
Oct 2014
both Parties.


 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
35. I agree 100% with the gist of the article, but...
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:24 AM
Oct 2014

..his language at one point confuses me:

"These are dangerous people, and it's far past time for the honorable people in my profession to stop treating them like the worthless hacks they are."

Does he mean START treating them like the worthless hacks they are, or does he mean they are worthless hacks AND simultaneously worse than worthless hacks, deserving of different treatment than that required for worthless hacks?

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
36. Huge K&R
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 08:07 AM
Oct 2014

For every tiny person out there legitimately trying to make a change for the better, there are many who invest in the very corporations trying to stifle that change.
For every tiny journalist that correctly puts them in their place. There are many that puff them up and laud them as great people.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
37. vaccines and epidemics
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:24 AM
Oct 2014

Those who don't believe in using vaccines will suffer epidemics. Then their numbers will decline. Stupid is dangerous to your health. What will happen when there is a vaccine for ebola?

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
38. Texas officials were not set up to handle Biometrics and HazMat without Medicaid Expansion.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:08 AM
Oct 2014

Rick Perry turned down Billions of dollars it would take for those without ACA and/or Medicaid Expansion to be contained and treated at Texas hospitals, except maybe at large county hospitals like Parkland where the Dallas County Hospital sends the cost on to Dallas County Hospital District taxpayers. Dallas County residence get a yearly bill from the Dallas County Hospital District.

Answer in Texas, turn people away if they have no health insurance.

I think Texans deserve to know what the cost to Texas will be. It seems there could be a law suite to pay the victims. No Medicaid Expansion is really going to cost Texas, in my opinion.

http://thsg.tamu.edu/expertise.htm

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
40. but nothing will be done about it
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

We the people are pretty impotent, and our representatives refuse to even stand up to them, let alone call them out as morons, liars, and fascists. So how is anything going to change?

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