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Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:36 AM Dec 2014

(Dec 17th) Today in history: Grant expels all Jews from Kentucky, Tennessee, & Mississippi

In the middle of the Civil War, General Grant expelled all Jewish persons out the area controlled by his armies. It is a near-forgotten episode, in part because of President Lincoln’s remarkable decision to overturn his most popular general in the middle of the war.

In 1862, Grant’s armies controlled territory that included portions of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi. As commander over this “department,” Grant was responsible for governing his territory. This included tight regulation of cotton sales, as limited supply had led to speculation and black markets.

While the practice was widespread, anti-Semitism led Grant and others to place blame on Jews. Grant described “the Israelites” as “an intolerable nuisance.”

As part of regulating the cotton trade, the Treasury Department required merchants to have trade permits. Grant’s father arrived from Missouri in November 1862 with some merchants seeking permits. When Grant realized that his father’s colleagues were Jews, Grant ordered travel restrictions for Jews and a ban on their involvement in the trade of cotton. In December, Grant went even further. He issued his infamous Order No. 11 stated:
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A bit of history I didn't even know. It has a "happy ending" more or less.

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(Dec 17th) Today in history: Grant expels all Jews from Kentucky, Tennessee, & Mississippi (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 OP
Considering the close ties between the USA and Israel delrem Dec 2014 #1
This thread has NOTHING to do with Israel. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #2
Oh come on! Of course there's a connection! delrem Dec 2014 #9
And talk about your continued example. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #10
Cut the crap. delrem Dec 2014 #11
Follow your own advice. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #12
Piss on it, then. There's no pleasing some folk. nt delrem Dec 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #14
Leave it alone. Israel obviously did not exist then but criticizing . . . brush Dec 2014 #19
'Thanks' for the good news part. elleng Dec 2014 #3
What? Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #5
Sorry, reversal evokes thanks, elleng Dec 2014 #6
Oh, OK. LOL! Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #7
I'll pray for your Challah elleng Dec 2014 #8
Amain. :) Mosby Dec 2014 #21
Thanks for posting. SamKnause Dec 2014 #4
Wow, fascinating. MBS Dec 2014 #15
Interesting! didn't know this. thanks. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #16
Thanks, I didn't know that either. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #17
EDX class... GTurck Dec 2014 #18
k and r...no text... Stuart G Dec 2014 #20

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. Considering the close ties between the USA and Israel
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:52 AM
Dec 2014

I'd agree that this story has a "happy ending" more or less.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
10. And talk about your continued example.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:20 AM
Dec 2014

The story is about anti-Semitism in history, not Israel, but some can't see that simple fact.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
11. Cut the crap.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:28 AM
Dec 2014

I said that the good relations, the close relations that exist today between the US and Israel are a "happy ending" to a bad story told by Grant during the civil war days. That's all I said!

If you want to deny that, go ahead. After all, you're the authority.
So deny it, but don't you throw calumny my way for saying it!

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
12. Follow your own advice.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:41 AM
Dec 2014

Your comment was no different than if someone posted about historical racism, then a poster came along and said "but what about OBAMA!?"

Response to delrem (Reply #13)

brush

(53,791 posts)
19. Leave it alone. Israel obviously did not exist then but criticizing . . .
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:54 AM
Dec 2014

a well-intentioned post is not worth it.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
7. Oh, OK. LOL!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:40 AM
Dec 2014

DU is acting weird tonight, I thought it might be a product of that. I appreciate the clarification. I am thinking about trying the Challah recipe you provided. PRAY!

elleng

(130,974 posts)
8. I'll pray for your Challah
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

which is unusual as I don't pray. I DID make bread, but that was years ago, and wasn't Challah.

Baruch atah Adonai, Eloheinu melech haolam, hamotzi lechem min ha-aretz.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Wow, fascinating.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:12 AM
Dec 2014

Horrible in its irony (even as Grant was fighting slavery, prejudice still reared its head), but, as you said, a sort-of-happy ending. Especially, good for Lincoln that he ordered Grant to reverse this order.

GTurck

(826 posts)
18. EDX class...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:37 AM
Dec 2014

This goes nicely with an Edx.org class I am taking with Eric Foner at Columbia on the Civil War and Reconstruction. Edx is an online site of college courses that is free and includes some of the best schools and scholars around the world. Many history and philosophy courses but 100's of other subjects too.:

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