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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:09 PM Jun 2015

Have Millions of Deaths from America’s ‘War on Terror’ Been Concealed?

June 30, 2015

Evil Cover Up

Have Millions of Deaths from America’s ‘War on Terror’ Been Concealed?

by JACK BALKWILL


How many days has it been
Since I was born?
How many days
‘Til I die?

Do I know any ways
I can make you laugh?
Or do I only know how
To make you cry?

― Leon Russell, Stranger in a Strange Land


The mass media in the US have covered up the most important fact in America’s ongoing wars: the number of people slaughtered. Even before the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the mainstream media served as cheerleaders for the bloodshed, spreading the major lies that led us to war.

As a combat vet still shocked by what I saw almost 50 years ago in Vietnam, where we earlier slaughtered millions in another war based on lies, I decided to look into what is happening in the current wars. I discovered that as many as seven million innocents may have been slaughtered in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I say “innocents,” because even most combatants American forces have killed were merely defending their homelands from invasions by foreigners (that is us). The invasion of Afghanistan was avoidable ― the Taliban had offered to give up bin Laden if the USA would show them proof that he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
The invasion of Iraq meanwhile violated international law and was little more than genocide.

I first looked for government or mainstream media reports in researching this article, but found little help there, forcing me to conclude they are not at all interested in counting victims. Anything they’ve put out to date is so simplistic that it should be ignored by anyone seeking facts. They wouldn’t even report on or take seriously a 2006 report by the respected UK medical journal, the Lancet, which, based upon household surveys and other data, concluded that between the March 2003 US invasion of Iraq and the beginning of 2006, Iraq had suffered over 650,000 war-related deaths, representing an astonishing 2.5% of the country’s population.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/30/have-millions-of-deaths-from-americas-war-on-terror-been-concealed/

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Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
2. One can't give Obama a pass for his role in the War on Terror.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015

Drone strikes increased astronomically under Obama, and he increased our military operations in Africa by 217% compared to his predecessor. Not to mention destroying Libya and leaving it a nightmarish hellscape of misery.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
4. He also withdrew from the Iraqi genocide and the Afghanistan fiasco.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

When the bloodlusting neocons were begging for carpet bombing, he gave them drone strikes.

Let's be fair.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. He withdrew from Iraq because he had to, not because he wanted to.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/martha-raddatz/obama-wanted-keep-10000-troops-iraq-abcs-raddatz-c/

The Obama administration was initially open to leaving up to 10,000 troops in Iraq after the scheduled pullout at the end of 2011, a controversial pitch that would have required approval from Iraq’s divided government to change the 2008 agreement, the Los Angeles Times reported. The troops were to be placed in Baghdad and other "strategic" locations around the country.

It did not stay there. The New York Times detailed how the one-time goal of a 10,000-person force shrank before negotiations failed altogether.

Obama ruled out the 10,000-troop option in an Aug. 13, 2011, conference call, according to the New York Times, and "the new goal would be a continuous presence of about 3,500 troops, a rotating force of up to 1,500 and half a dozen F-16’s."

What killed the deal


The agreement failed over a demand that American troops be given immunity from prosecution by Iraqis, a very touchy political issue within the Iraqi Parliament. Some experts said Iraqi leaders may not have been willing to take great political risk with their citizens in exchange for a relatively small American force.

But no immunity meant no sizable residual troop presence.

"When the Americans asked for immunity, the Iraqi side answered that it was not possible," al-Maliki said in an October 2011 news conference. "The discussions over the number of trainers and the place of training stopped. Now that the issue of immunity was decided and that no immunity to be given, the withdrawal has started."


He gets only partial credit.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
7. He also tried to shut down the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, but the Neocons
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jul 2015

went absolutely apeshit. They tried to pass legislation depriving the federal district courts of jurisdiction over cases involving Guantanamo Bay prisoners, including writs of habeas corpus.

He has continued trying.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
9. No, he actually wanted to uphold due process and simply try them.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

But when the bloodlusting neo-nazi-cons prevented that -- actually trying to unconstitutionally pass legislation depriving the district courts of subject matter jurisdiction over the cases -- he had to try something else.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
10. This is a common claim, but it doesn't bear scrutiny.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jul 2015

In 2009, Obama announced a strategy of preventive "prolonged detention" without trial for Guantanamo Bay prisoners:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/us/politics/23detain.html

“In our constitutional system,” Mr. Obama said, “prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man.”

But Mr. Obama’s critics say his proposal is Bush redux. Closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and holding detainees domestically under a new system of preventive detention would simply “move Guantánamo to a new location and give it a new name,” said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates suggested this month that as many as 100 detainees might be held in the United States under such a system.

Mr. Obama chose to call his proposal “prolonged detention,” which made it sound more reassuring than some of its more familiar names. In some countries, it is called “administrative detention,” a designation with a slightly totalitarian ring. Some of its proponents call it “indefinite detention,” which evokes the Bush administration’s position that Guantánamo detainees could be held until the end of the war on terror — perhaps for the rest of their lives — even if acquitted in war crimes trials.

Mr. Obama’s proposal was a sign of the sobering difficulties posed by the president’s plan to close the Guantánamo prison by January. The prolonged detention option is necessary, he said, because there may be some detainees who cannot be tried but who pose a security threat.


In 2010 Obama doubled-down on this strategy, completely independently of Congress:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/22gitmo.html?hpw

The Obama administration has decided to continue to imprison without trials nearly 50 detainees at the Guantánamo Bay military prison in Cuba because a high-level task force has concluded that they are too difficult to prosecute but too dangerous to release, an administration official said on Thursday.


Obama's plan to "close Gitmo" involved transferring the remaining prisoners to a facility in Illinois:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8413230.stm

US President Barack Obama has ordered the federal government to buy a prison in Illinois to take a number of inmates from Guantanamo Bay.

The move is a key part of Mr Obama's plan to close the Cuba-based jail.

The number of inmates for transfer to the Thomson Correctional Center has not been given officially, but US media report it could be between 35 and 90.


The ACLU quickly found fault with this plan:

https://www.aclu.org/news/creating-gitmo-north-alarming-step-says-aclu?redirect=national-security/creating-gitmo-north-alarming-step-says-aclu

The creation of a 'Gitmo North' in Illinois is hardly a meaningful step forward. Shutting down Guantánamo will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture if we continue its lawless policies onshore.

"Alarmingly, all indications are that the administration plans to continue its predecessor's policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial for some detainees, with only a change of location. Such a policy is completely at odds with our democratic commitment to due process and human rights whether it's occurring in Cuba or in Illinois. In fact, while the Obama administration inherited the Guantánamo debacle, this current move is its own affirmative adoption of those policies. It is unimaginable that the Obama administration is using the same justification as the Bush administration used to undercut centuries of legal jurisprudence and the principle of innocent until proven guilty and the right to confront one's accusers.


None of this suggests that Obama wished to end the policy of indefinite detention without due process, which is the key issue - not the physical location of the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Here's Russ Feingold's explanation for why he voted against the plan to move Gitmo to Illinois:

http://www.progressive.org/fein052309.html

My primary concern, however, relates to your reference to the possibility of indefinite detention without trial for certain detainees. While I appreciate your good faith desire to at least enact a statutory basis for such a regime, any system that permits the government to indefinitely detain individuals without charge or without a meaningful opportunity to have accusations against them adjudicated by an impartial arbiter violates basic American values and is likely unconstitutional.

While I recognize that your administration inherited detainees who, because of torture, other forms of coercive interrogations, or other problems related to their detention or the evidence against them, pose considerable challenges to prosecution, holding them indefinitely without trial is inconsistent with the respect for the rule of law that the rest of your speech so eloquently invoked. Indeed, such detention is a hallmark of abusive systems that we have historically criticized around the world. It is hard to imagine that our country would regard as acceptable a system in another country where an individual other than a prisoner of war is held indefinitely without charge or trial.

Once a system of indefinite detention without trial is established, the temptation to use it in the future would be powerful. And, while your administration may resist such a temptation, future administrations may not. There is a real risk, then, of establishing policies and legal precedents that rather than ridding our country of the burden of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, merely set the stage for future Guantanamos, whether on our shores or elsewhere, with disastrous consequences for our national security.

Worse, those policies and legal precedents would be effectively enshrined as acceptable in our system of justice, having been established not by one, largely discredited administration, but by successive administrations of both parties with greatly contrasting positions on legal and constitutional issues.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
3. We are a racist society. Innocent "others" are expendible if it suits our "interests"
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jul 2015

It seems to be a somewhat schizophrenic: Those that we deem "worthy" we can be fierce to protect. But innocents caught up under someone we don't like are worthy of contempt or even expendable.

I am waiting for the days when we open up to what we do and reconsider our "exceptional ism". We have a lot of potential as a people but we are counterproductive. Once we realize our "dark side" we may finally get the kind of change that some are desperate for.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
5. Borat got it right: it's a war OF terror
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

We have killed far more than probably all terrorist organizations in human history put together.

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