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Tace

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Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:27 PM Jul 2015

No ‘Crisis in Islam’: Just Apathy of So-called ‘Historians’ | Ramzy Baroud



Ramzy Baroud -- World News Trust

July 7, 2015

On the “BBC This Week" program, historian Tom Holland labored to counter the argument that the so-called Islamic State should not be labeled as such: “The Islamic State.”

Holland’s logic in the program seemed more philosophical, concerned with dialectic and logic of language, and hardly situated in any proper historical context.

His comments were in response to British Prime Minister David Cameron’s objection to the BBC’s use of the phrase "Islamic State." Cameron prefers ISIL -- which, itself, stands for the "Islamic State in the Levant" or the cynical qualifier "so-called" to be placed before the phrase.

Although Holland asserts that Cameron’s protestation to the use of the phrase "Islamic State" is essentially principled, he does not agree with the Prime Minister. By denying "IS" the right to use the phrase, according to Holland, Cameron is replicating the "IS" strategy of denying any Islamic credentials to their Muslim opponents, describing them as "heretics." Cameron is playing the same game as "IS," according to Holland.

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what always amused me is the decade of demands for a "Muslim Reformation" MisterP Jul 2015 #1

MisterP

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1. what always amused me is the decade of demands for a "Muslim Reformation"
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015

this was of course spread independent of anything happening in Islam or that happened in the 16th century: it was entirely aimed at Anglos who thought Protestantism was just another step on the long staircase to ModernityTM--that you could not have had Alexander Fleming or Henry Ford without Melanchthon

the Reformation in fact saw tremendous persecution of gays, women, and frankly anyone caught walking out of a forest, and tremendous destruction of religious sites (not a single medieval altar remains in England, IIRC): but again Anglo-American culture is set up to favorably receive the Hirsis and Gabriels who say that MENA persecution of women is the soft liburls' fault and we need to give Israel more money and free Breivik from prison so the social democrats know their place

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