A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud, and Kansas is trying to silence her

[Demeter]

http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html



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Kansas loves them some voter fraud hysteria. From going to the Supreme Court to try and make doubly-sure that non-citizens can’t vote in their elections to setting up a voter fraud website where citizens can report every kind of voter fraud except the kinds that have actually happened in the state, Kansas is on the forefront of voter fraud readiness and protection.

Except, perhaps, when it comes to the machines they use to record their votes.

According to the Wichita Eagle, Wichita State mathematician Beth Clarkson has found irregularities in election returns from Sedgwick County, along with other counties throughout the United States, but has faced stiff opposition from the state in trying to confirm whether the irregularities are fraud or other, less-nefarious anomalies.

Analyzing election returns at a precinct level, Clarkson found that candidate support was correlated, to a statistically significant degree, with the size of the precinct. In Republican primaries, the bias has been toward the establishment candidates over tea partiers. In general elections, it has favored Republican candidates over Democrats, even when the demographics of the precincts in question suggested that the opposite should have been true...

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[cantbeserious]

1. Nothing Surprises Anymore

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[WDIM]

2. Where is the DOJ?

This deserves a full investigation and arrests should be made.

[truebluegreen]

3. The DoJ is busily preserving the status quo,

chasing marijuana offenders, and "investigating" leftist populist movements. Same as it ever was.

[billhicks76]

5. Chuck Hagel ES&S

This tells the story of how it all happened beginning in 1996. Hagel won in the biggest landslide in history and democrats had been predicted to win easily. All votes were counted on machines Hagel owned.

[NEDem]

10. This again....

Hagel won because Ben Nelson ran the worst campaign the the history of this state. I have first hand knowledge of just how bad that campaign was. I will even admit that as someone who was very actively involved in the Nelson campaign, when it came time to vote I voted for Hagel. Because Nelson was a horrible entitled candidate. Something else to consider, 96 was also a presidential election year, any guess on what voting against Bill Clinton did for voter turnout is psycho red Clinton hating Nebraska?? I recognize that nothing I say will change of minds of anyone, but what I can tell you is that I don't think Nelson losing was that big of a surprise.

[SusanCalvin]

12. One instance. The pattern is pretty clear. nt

[billhicks76]

40. Hagel Still Owned All The Machines That Counted His Votes

[SusanaMontana41]

43. I'm a Nebraska native, too!

I agree with your analysis.

But the questions raised about the integrity of that election are good ones, and warranted.

[Stevepol]

6. Don't hold your breath.

In SC, when Alvin Greene won about 60+% of the votes in the Dem primary a few years ago, the SC Dems had a meeting and listened to several computer experts say that it was almost certainly a computer error or glitch of some kind. Greene, as you may remember, got a wild hair and just decided to run. No campaign, no yard signs, no nothing. Nobody knew his name from Adam and he didn't do anything to change that fact. His opponent was a well-known Dem. Surprisingly or maybe not surprisingly, the favored Dem, who campaigned and spent at least a fair amount of money on the race, was defeated by Greene by about 60% to 35%. An oddity among many others was that Alvin Greene lost to his favored opponent about 65% to 35% in the early voting and in all cases where the vote was recorded on paper. Where the machines were involved, the reverse was the case.

When the SC Dems got together and heard testimony from the computer experts explaining that the result was almost certainly a computer problem, the Dems "unanimously," I believe, voted to let it go and not investigate.

This is what you're up against. It's what all of us are up against when we call for "verified elections." The Dems themselves don't give a damn about fair elections. I have no idea why the SC Dems refused to investigate and if needed have the election again USING HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS. They could have at least tried. The SC Repubs, the ones in charge of administering the election probably would have charged an outrageous amount to have the repeat election, but it needed to be done. If you call yourself a political party I think you should act like it and try to win. You certainly should stand up for fair, verified elections.

I think I have all the facts pretty much correct. If anybody remembers this better and wants to correct my version, please do so.

I just checked BradBlog about this and my facts are not accurate, close but not accurate.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7900

Write in Alvin Greene's name at BRadBlog's site and you can find a beaucoup of info about this fiasco.

I just checked in at BradBlog and here are a few of the articles about it. My facts are not entirely accurate.

[SusanCalvin]

8. "The Dems themselves don't give a damn about fair elections."

To a large extent I'm afraid you're correct. Ignorance, or hoping to use the system themselves someday?

[zeemike]

9. Both parties are in on the game.

It may not seem like it because there are losers, but sometimes you can do pretty well as a loser...Nice job as an adviser or board member and it will pay more than a political office.

The Help America Vote Act made rigging elections easy and risk free. Even if you can catch them they just blame it on a computer glitch. And who can argue with that?

[SusanCalvin]

11. Yep. HAVA was a big setup. nt

[SusanaMontana41]

44. Thank you for the link.

I skimmed the article but will go back to it.

That's terrifying.

[Demeter]

15. The problem is that constitutionally, the states are in charge of voting

The Feds don't get much say, unless there's a Supreme Court ruling or Congressional Act to enable them to oversee it.

And then the Supremes overruled Congress....

We really need a new constitution that makes voting a non-revocable right overseen by the DOJ. Or maybe a special Election Dept.

[WDIM]

29. The voting rights act.

Voter fraud is occuring across state lines and in multiple states this is DOJ jurisdiction.

[Demeter]

31. If the DoJ will act

This one is pathetically inert on so many things....

and even if it does, will the Supremes kibitz? There's no good way to exert voter discipline over either of them, which is why we need Constitution 2.0

[niyad]

52. this isn't voter fraud, this is election fraud. as the old saying goes, "it isn't who voted that

counts, but who counts the votes" (attributed to stalin)

[Angry Dragon]

57. Voter fraud is the people lying

what this is election fraud --------- the people in charge are gaming the system

[markpkessinger]

60. This is election fraud, not voter fraud . . .

It's an important distinction. But yes, it should fall under the purview of the DOJ.

[Cal33]

37. This new Adjutant General ought to be quite different from the former ones -- I hope. Why

did the Repubs. fight against her getting the job for 6 months? If I remember correctly,
Pres. Obama managed to slip her in during a recess, correct?

[thesquanderer]

4. previously discussed at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027052614

[SusanCalvin]

7. And here. And I repeat the offer made in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016129874

This is NOT intended to undermine the current thread. I'm ecstatic this keeps coming up.

[Wisc Progressive]

13. Thanks for Keeping this Dialog Going

Nothing matters more than election integrity and this topic is banned at the evil orange site (and as a very long-time lurker, I know it has not always been supported here). It's not just Kansas. Beth Clarkson, who I have talked to, also sees the same patterns in other states, including Wisconsin:

http://www.statslife.org.uk/significance/politics/2288-how-trustworthy-are-electronic-voting-systems-in-the-us

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is a dangerous Presidential candidate as:

1. At least 2 of the previous 3 elections he claims to have "won" in the last 4 years can be demonstrated to be stolen.

2. He has resources behind him to take this election fraud national

Now is the time to educate and inform the public -- Scott Walker can, by hook or crook, be catapulted into the White House. This should (and does) alarm many and provides an opportunity to talk about election fraud in Wisconsin and across America.

1. Recall the Recall Truth: Walker Stole That Election

Blog post with sourcing/resourcing links:
http://wethepeopledanecounty.blogspot.com/2015/07/recall-recall-truth-walkers-stolen.html

Transcript with graphics
http://madisonvoices.com/pdffiles/recallTheRecallTranscript.pdf

2. The Media & Scott Walker's November 2014 Election Fraud

Blog Post with sourcing/resourcing links:
http://wethepeopledanecounty.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-media-scott-walkers-november-2014.html

Transcript with graphics
http://madisonvoices.com/pdffiles/mediaAndWalkersElectionFraud2014.pdf

[SusanCalvin]

16. Please make this an OP. nt

[Wisc Progressive]

17. Thanks, I will...

Thank you. I just joined site today -- have been lurking, following threads daily for 10+ years now. Please watch the videos and/or read the transcripts if you prefer (each has the key graphic). Please also follow the link to the supporting blog posts to learn more -- I won't repost those here.

Remember, 2000 election can be demonstrated as stole (links in the blog posts above). 2016 is the same situation, a lame-duck President and DOJ. The fix was in for 2012, which is why Karl Rove had a temper tantrum on Faux News that night (links in the blog posts above), but the Obama administration took an active role in protecting that election.

I will put together something new, perhaps checking in with Beth Clarkson and a few others to see if there are any updates. I will wait to post until threads like this one have run their course -- it is critical that we work to get election integrity issues on the table for 2016 and I hope that DU can help legitimize a topic that is regularly flamed and banned at "other" site.

The key is this: Election Fraud would be impossible if the corporate media acted as "the fourth estate" and served as a watchdog, but it doesn't. Today's media ownership is so highly concentrated that it has become a powerful propaganda mill. Many are not ready to accept this -- it's scary -- but it's true. Just take a look at the following graphic: The Illusion of Choice -- Media Consolidation:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. You need to get to 10 posts before you can start your own thread.

So get busy!

And Welcome to DU!

I"m glad you're here.

You've already made some invaluable information available to us. Thank you!

[questionseverything]

22. richard charnin has done amazing work on this

from his blog...

In Milwaukee County, Walker vote shares increased as a function of Unit/Ward size. The increase can be considered as evidence of fraud. One would expect that the lines would be nearly parallel after 90,000 votes.

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milwaukee recorded votes should show a strong dem performance but the recorded vote according to the gab showed the suburbs out numbering the city wards

think about that,,,the suburbs with their acre lawns have more voters than the inner city that are stacked on top of each other and supposedly the inner city that voted overwhelmingly for obama supported walker to an extent

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the main thing is the system we have is non transparent, any election where we the people can not verify the results for ourselves is not a democratic system

big welcome to du!

[byronius]

55. I own a copy of his book. He used to post here as TruthIsAll, I believe.

He and autorank are what brought me to Democratic Underground.

This is all still an utterly serious problem. Devastatingly important, generally undiscussed.

[riversedge]

35. welcome to DU

[red dog 1]

38. I don't have time to click on your links today, but will tomorrow-Meanwhile, have you seen this?

"Meet Command Central, the People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting machines"
http://wcmcoop.com/2012/05/22/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/

The above is from the Wisconsin Citizens Media Cooperative...Have you heard of them?

I posted on Wisconsin's voting machine fraud a while back:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016128214



(Welcome to DU).

[Wisc Progressive]

42. yes and yes

I saw the Command Central story when it cameo out and do know some of that group. I need to be careful how I saw this, don't want any misunderstandings. But since you asked, I feel compelled to share that, while I know some of that original group to be nice and willing to share, I also know some to be unbelievably petty and vindictive.

I won't name names and only share for this reason: What became obvious during the activism in Wisconsin is that the 99% (or whatever you want to call it) have never worked together collaboratively and in many ways we divide ourselves. The 1%, of course, is much more cohesive.

That group is not as active now and the core members left are not all the same folks, but that is to be expected. I was, and in a more limited way still am, deeply involved with the activism in Madison and related media projects. People are learning to be more accepting. It has been a learning process for everyone - I could share stories...

For example, the Solidarity Sing Along, which I assume many here have heard of, still happens Mon-Fri in the Capitol. Sometimes I join them still, once did it daily. The group fractured badly over some BS and personality conflicts. Once, it regularly numbered over 100 and sometimes 100s. Now it is typically one dozen; on Fridays it is larger as it's outside, but more than 30 then is rare. It used to regularly be over 100 too.

Point I am trying to make is that the repugs are playing hardball and really see themselves as reaching an endgame. Divide and conquer works. I can only hope we learn to play nicely together, share, and make sure there is room at the table for different voices and perspectives.

Given gerrymandering, voter suppression, and election anomalies that always favor Republicans, defeating the neocons at the polls will be a heavy heavy lift. Some mistakenly think we just need to turn out the vote, but if you understand the anomies that Richard Charnin and Beth Clarkson (topic of this OP) and others can document, you see that it's the voter wards with highest turnouts that impossibly and continuously skew repug. It appears votes in high-turnout wards are being flipped.

[red dog 1]

53. + 1

"votes in high-turnout wards are being flipped"

So true!

And not just in Wisconsin, but all over the country.

Tampering with the vote is a federal crime.

If President Obama wanted to, he could direct the Justice Department to investigate all the instances where it's obvious that vote-flipping has occurred, such as in high-turnout wards in Wisconsin.

Congressional approval would not be needed for the President to do this.

What would be needed is only a desire on the President's part to once and for all order DOJ to do a serious nation-wide investigation of this vote-flipping in states where the Republicans hold most of the statewide offices, especially Governor & Secretary of State.

I look forward to your posting OPs about this matter.

[questionseverything]

54. best documented stolen election

http://www.sweetremedy.tv/fatallyflawed/media/RTA_Fraud_Flyer_3_7_12.pdf

[Stevepol]

61. Thanks for the link to Command Central

I understand now how Walker has been able to stay in power. Dominion is among the worst of the companies whose aim is to subvert the democratic process. It's really frustrating when people vote and they feel sure that their vote is counted and that in addition a lot of others have voted as they have and then to find that the exit polls don't match the vote result and nobody will ever know how that election actually went down. I wish you well, but I don't see any solution to the subversion of democracy unless people demand that the vote be VERIFIED.

VERIFY THE VOTE!!

[MinM]

41. Wisconsin Recall: Citizen United, Grisham, Hot Coffee, and Koch

Thanks .. Wisc Progressive.

I figured it couldn't just be Walker's sterling record and winning personality getting him elected.

The Wisconsin Recall Aftermath: Scott Walker Steps Right Up into the Pocket of Those Who Got Him There

Wisconsin Recall: Citizen United, Grisham, Hot Coffee, and Koch

[Lytex]

14. Sabotaging Democracy: Why Are We Allowing Voting Machine Rigging?

Here's a comprehensive report on the nightmare scenario. http://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/7/

Why aren't we demanding change? It's mind-boggling.

[Cleita]

20. I've been asking the same question since Bush was appointed President due to faulty ballot

counting. Yet, even though I know election cheating benefits Republicans more than Democrats, I could never figure out why our Democrats in office, who could do something about it, won't.

Welcome to DU.

[Demeter]

21. Yeah, The Cricket sound is unnerving

years and years of it....hello? anybody out there?

[Hotler]

19. Kicking..... n/t

[Uncle Joe]

23. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Demeter.

[Demeter]

24. A pleasure, as always, Uncle Joe!

Hope you are keeping well.

[Uncle Joe]

25. I am and hope you are as well.

[Demeter]

27. I live to post!

[Uncle Joe]

28. ...

[Demeter]

30. Better than Flowers or Chocolate!

Thank you!

[Uncle Joe]

32. I tried to squeeze flowers and chocolate through the Intertubes

but it just made a mess and now I have to clean my computer.

[Cleita]

26. Another kick.

[Botany]

33. In the 2008 priamary some African American Precincts in Harlem and Bedford Stuyvesant in NYC

recorded no votes for Barack Obama.

sometimes the gop admits the truth

[WillyT]

34. K & R !!!

[rhett o rick]

36. People don't want to believe these stories. It's too hard to comprehend massive voter fraud.

People love their denial bubbles and often get violent when anyone tries to give them a gimps of reality.

In 2000 the Republican Party stole the election for the presidency. No one cared. Al Gore jumped over the net and shook hands with Bush, saying "good game ole chap" and they went off for martinis. The Democratic Elites acted as nothing had happened.

I see it as a conservative mentality that wants to hide in the denial bubble. Screaming CT, CT at any story that doesn't fit their narrow view of the world.

[red dog 1]

39. K&R...Thanks for posting

I doubt that those states with all absentee ballots (like Oregon) have these problems.


What is needed is new legislation from Congress that would require all 50 states to have federal oversight of ALL electronic voting machines AT ALL TIMES so as to insure that what has happened in Wisconsin & other states does not happen again.
(But, of course, the GOP-controlled Congress will not allow that to happen)

[Peace Patriot]

45. There is nothing more important than this!

Peace

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

46. Software driven election theft made easy...

...which is what the widespread introduction of voting machines has enabled, has been the life blood of the GOP for well over a decade now. Without it they would wither and die on the vine.

Where has the FBI been in all this? We've had clearly stolen elections go without any credible investigation on their part since 2000.

[Joe Chi Minh]

47. I think it was Harvard mathematicians who discovered the same

thing in the 2000 federal election. They'd used algorithms. It seems highly likely the Republicans would also have used them in the next election as well.

Not to speak of primaries, in which the Democrats might have used them. That's just speculation on my part, though I don't believe they were all above board at all. While a certain currently-infirm Republican grandee was active, I don't think the likes of Bernie would have got a look in, whatever his true numbers.

[valerief]

51. Why wouldn't they use them again? Nothing happened to them the first (sic) time. nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

59. Absolutely. I expect it. It's why I was ticked by the title, as if it were

a major news 'coup'. But then I'm an old codger, who can remember that far back as a 'senior' even then!.

[samsingh]

48. kick and recommend

[snot]

49. K&R'd!

[sketchy]

50. K&R n/t

[d_legendary1]

56. Looks like ya have to be a Mathematician

ro realize that the cons are ripping us off.

[PicturingPolitics]

58. frusterating

Pretty awful to see such a serious issue get tossed under the rug like this

[Bill USA]

62. damn!

Too bad nothing will be done about this. Nor will M$M consider this as interesting as HRC's emails