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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:31 PM Aug 2015

Wind Power Myths Debunked

A free special issue paper from a group of the world's foremost experts on integrating wind energy into the grid.

Wind Power Myths Debunked

THE RAPID GROWTH OF WIND POWER IN THE UNITED STATES AND worldwide has resulted in increasing media attention to —and public awareness of— wind generation technology. Several misunderstandings and myths have arisen due to the char- acteristics of wind generation, particularly because wind-energy generation only occurs when the wind is blowing. Wind power is therefore not dispatchable like conventional energy sources and delivers a variable level of power depending on the wind speed. Wind is primarily an energy resource and not a capacity resource. Its primary value is to offset fuel consumption and the resulting emissions, including carbon. Only a relatively small fraction of wind energy is typically delivered during peak and high-risk time periods; therefore, wind generators have limited capacity value. This leads to concerns about the impacts of wind power on maintaining reliability and the balance between load and generation.

This article presents answers to commonly asked questions concerning wind power. It begins by addressing the variability of wind and then discusses whether wind has capacity credit. The article addresses whether wind can stop blowing everywhere at once, the uncertainty of predicting wind generation, whether it is expensive to integrate wind power, the need for new transmission, and whether wind generation requires backup generation or dedicated energy storage. Finally, we discuss whether there is sufficient sys- tem flexibility to incorporate wind generation, whether coal is better than wind because coal has greater capacity factors, and whether there is a limit to how much wind power can be incorporated into the grid.

Can Grid Operators Deal with the Continually Changing Output of Wind Generation?

The power system—even before the development of wind- energy technologies—was designed to handle significant variability in loads. Demand varies over timescales that range from seconds to years. System operational procedures are designed around this variability and, based on analysis and operational experience, much is known about how loads vary. Very short-term changes in load (seconds to minutes) are small relative to the system peak and consist primarily of many uncorrelated events that change demand in different directions. Over longer periods (several hours), changes in demand tend to be more correlated, such as during the morning load pickup or evening load falloff.

The output of a wind power plant, or multiple wind power plants, is variable over time. Because the variability of wind is added to this already variable system...

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Wind Power Myths Debunked (Original Post) kristopher Aug 2015 OP
My main concern is the birds killed and there are a lot of them yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #1
what do you think about cats? SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #2
I don't know of any cats that were murdered by yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #3
Cats kill up to 3.7B birds annually. SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #9
Which is why they have developed newer types of blade-less and other forms Hestia Aug 2015 #4
Thanks! That's great to hear. yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #5
Yes, much better to subject them to global warming kristopher Aug 2015 #6
My God! Atrocious!!!!!!! yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #8
Rotorless wind turbines aren't a viable option kristopher Aug 2015 #7
Fossil fuel infrastructure kills birds too daleo Aug 2015 #10
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. My main concern is the birds killed and there are a lot of them
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:36 AM
Aug 2015

Of course one is too many. Sadly that was not mentioned in the article at all.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. I don't know of any cats that were murdered by
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:37 PM
Aug 2015

Wind mills. Nothing would surprise me in our cruel and selfish world though.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
9. Cats kill up to 3.7B birds annually.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:55 PM
Aug 2015

Cats that live in the wild or indoor pets allowed to roam outdoors kill from 1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion ...

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
4. Which is why they have developed newer types of blade-less and other forms
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

that does not kill birds. Great show about it on Eco-Tech.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. Thanks! That's great to hear.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

I just figure bird were here before we made energy to begin with so why should they suffer because we are collectively dumb.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. Yes, much better to subject them to global warming
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

Thank you for contributing the standard right wing trope. As noted above with the reference to cats, on the scale of things that kill birds, wind power barely moves the needle.

That doesn't stop the right wing fossil and nuclear crowd from trying to turn people against the technology though.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Rotorless wind turbines aren't a viable option
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

Turbines have rotors.

On average the rate of avian mortality is about 1.5 per turbine per year.

That means any outdoor cat is probably more lethal to birds than your average wind farm.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
10. Fossil fuel infrastructure kills birds too
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:15 PM
Aug 2015

Tailings ponds on the northern Alberta oil sands are famous for killing birds.

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