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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 09:53 AM Oct 2015

Russia’s Reality Trolls and the MH17 War of Misinformation

MOSCOW — Every time more evidence has emerged that Russia-backed rebels shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine, someone in Moscow has called a press conference to throw smoke over the claims. It’s a tradition going back to the days after MH17 crashed on July 17, 2014, killing all 298 people on board, when the Russian Defense Ministry held a briefing suggesting, improbably, that a Ukrainian missile or fighter jet had shot down the plane.

So it was little surprise when Almaz-Antey, the Russian state-owned maker of Buk missiles, held a press conference on Tuesday to shift the blame off Moscow and its separatist partners in eastern Ukraine. A report by the Dutch Safety Board released the same day found that MH17 was brought down by a Buk missile fired from an area near the town of Snizhne, which at the time was under rebel control. “It’s always special when people already know that they don’t agree with a report that’s not even published yet,” Dutch Safety Board chairman Tibbe Joustra told reporters when asked about the Almaz-Antey presentation, which took place hours before the Dutch findings were announced.

Packed with a nearly incomprehensible amount of graphics and data, the presentation argued that the Buk missile that hit MH17 was a type no longer used by the Russian military and had been fired from a location to the west of Snizhne. Russia’s state media immediately jumped on these findings to paint the Dutch report as incomplete and suggest that neither Moscow nor the rebels were involved in downing the plane — a response that corresponds with a larger Kremlin media strategy that has arisen during President Vladimir Putin’s third term. One aspect has been a Kremlin-linked “troll factory,” pushing disinformation and pro-Putin views online. But according to Nerijus Maliukevicius, a political science lecturer at Vilnius University who studies Russian media, the MH17 coverage is meant to “troll reality.”

The end goal is likely to prevent the missile launch being conclusively tied to Russia — and to prevent anyone linked to Russia from being punished for firing it. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary — including interviews with soldiers, secret military funerals, and satellite imagery — Moscow has denied it has been involved in the eastern Ukraine conflict, and Putin has previously argued against proposals to create an MH17 criminal tribunal until a “thorough and objective” investigation (in Putin’s eyes) has been completed.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/13/russias-reality-trolls-and-the-mh17-war-of-misinformation-buk-missile/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/world/europe/russia-burns-dutch-flowers-amid-netherlands-inquiry-into-malaysia-airlines-crash.html?_r=0

I'm not allowed to name names, but it's not difficult to identify the DUers who only exist to spread agitprop.

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Russia’s Reality Trolls and the MH17 War of Misinformation (Original Post) Blue_Tires Oct 2015 OP
Russia's government is the most shamelessly dishonest on the entire planet. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #1
"I'm not allowed to name names" uhnope Oct 2015 #2
I also find the troll-posts really disturbing. MBS Oct 2015 #3
I agree with you, GGJohn Oct 2015 #4
I disagree. Now that Putin is bombing Islamist radicals in Syria, most of them geek tragedy Oct 2015 #5
you're right, some of them have uhnope Oct 2015 #6
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Russia's government is the most shamelessly dishonest on the entire planet.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 12:22 PM
Oct 2015

Just as dishonest are its contemptible shills on the Internet.

Rather than support another liberal version of events, the reorganize themselves to troll.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
2. "I'm not allowed to name names"
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 01:41 AM
Oct 2015

yep. Even pointing that out can get your posts hidden until you end up banned--they occupy a majority on the jury at times. Late night in the USA, for example, when it's morning in Russia.

I've noticed a lot less participation by once-active progressive voices around here, and the LBN has definitely gone downhill. It seems the trolls are winning.

Even this post could get me banned. oh well, I'm pretty much done, and nothing's at stake, really.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
3. I also find the troll-posts really disturbing.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 05:49 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:51 AM - Edit history (1)

(not to mention bizarre).
. . . and the gullibility of some DUers dismaying.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
4. I agree with you,
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:26 AM
Oct 2015

there are definitely some here who are here solely to push the pro Russian view of this crime.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. I disagree. Now that Putin is bombing Islamist radicals in Syria, most of them
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:58 AM
Oct 2015

have dropped his cause. If it's one thing that crowd won't tolerate, it's blowing up members of Al Qaeda and Daesh.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
6. you're right, some of them have
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:38 PM
Oct 2015

probably the ones who really believed they were supporting "world peace" by support Putin & anti-western campaigns. Those folks are probably a bit confused now.
Then there are the ones who thought Assad was another figure to admire like they admired Gaddafi. They've also wandered away.

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