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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:37 PM Oct 2015

Everyone Wrote Off The Syrian Army. Take Another Look Now

All this is only the beginning of Mr Putin’s adventure in the Middle East

By Robert Fisk

October 18, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - "The Independent" - While the world still rages on at Russia’s presumption in the Middle East – to intervene in Syria instead of letting the Americans decide which dictators should survive or die – we’ve all been forgetting the one institution in that Arab land which continues to function and protect the state which Moscow has decided to preserve: the Syrian army. While Russia has been propagandising its missiles, the Syrian military, undermanned and undergunned a few months ago, has suddenly moved on to the offensive. Earlier this year, we may remember, this same army was being written off, the Bashar al-Assad government said to be reaching its final days.

We employed our own army of clichés to make the case for regime change. The Syrian army was losing ground – at Jisr al-Shugour and at Palmyra – and so we predicted that the whole Assad state had reached a “tipping point”.

Then along came Vladimir Putin with his air and missile fleets and suddenly the whole place is transformed. While we huffed and puffed that the Russians were bombing the “moderate” rebels – moderates who had earlier ceased to exist according to America’s top generals – we’ve been paying no attention to the military offensive which the Syrians themselves are now staging against the Nusra Front fighters around Aleppo and in the valley of the Orontes.

Syrian commanders are now setting the coordinates for almost every Russian air strike. They were originally giving between 200 and 400 coordinates a night. Now the figure sometimes reaches 800. Not that the Russians are going after every map reference, of course. The Syrians have found that the Russians do not want to fire at targets in built-up areas; they intend to leave burning hospitals and dead wedding parties to the Americans in Afghanistan. This policy could always change, of course. No air force bombs countries without killing civilians. Nor without crossing other people’s frontiers.

But the Russians are now telling the Turks – and by logical extension, this information must go to the Americans – their flight coordinates. Even more remarkable, they have set up a hotline communications system between their base on the Syrian Mediterranean coast and the Israeli ministry of defence in Tel Aviv. More incredible still is that the Israelis – who have a habit of targeting Syrian and Iranian personnel near the Golan Heights – have suddenly disappeared from the skies. In other words, the Russians are involved in a big operation, not a one-month wonder that is going on in Syria. And it is likely to continue for quite a time.

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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. Thats disturbing, I haven't seen a check in months.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:51 PM
Oct 2015

Better drop a dime to my handler I suppose...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. Right, because certain DUers have NEVER done ad homs on me
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:38 AM
Oct 2015

(see sig)

Once juries started letting stuff like that go, it's been open war as far as I'm concerned...

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
9. Whatever grievance you might have with some other DUer isn't at issue, here...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

Dismissing an article on the basis that Robt. Fisk wrote it might cause some people to think you're incapable of assessing a piece of writing on its own merits. And it's fallacious.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. The fallacy is assessing a piece of writing on 'merit'
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:57 PM
Oct 2015

without taking into the account the history of the author.

Both go hand-in-hand...

And for the record, I have a grievance with MANY DUers... But rest assured they aren't going to get rid of me, and they aren't going to shut me up.

Midnight Writer

(21,770 posts)
5. The Syrian Army is not protecting their country: it is not their goal
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:44 AM
Oct 2015

They work for Assad and their goal is to protect his regime. Why the hell would they care if their country is in total meltdown and their countrymen are being exterminated. The important thing to them is that Assad (their warlord) and his billions (along with their paychecks) are protected.

It is the same story for much of the Middle East. The soldiers have no interest in protecting a "country" that to them is an abstract concept, imposed on them by Western powers.

This is a story of primitive tribal societies that have been warring with one another for hundreds if not thousands of years who have suddenly been flooded with advanced weaponry and financial support from outside sources.

And then what happens? They kill each other with advanced efficiency. Of course. They don't give two figs about the "country" they are told they live in. That explains why 30,000 well equipped Iraqi troops throw down their arms and flee from a force of 3,000 primitive tribesmen. They have no motivation to fight. They are just as screwed no matter who wins. Endless war for as long as the sky is blue.

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