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flamingdem

(39,330 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:33 AM Nov 2015

The internet is eating your memory, but something better is taking its place

In the years since the world started going digital, one of the big changes has been that we don’t need to remember very much. Why risk forgetting a partner’s birthday or a dinner date with a close friend when you can commit the details to your computer, laptop, smartphone or tablet and get a reminder at the appropriate time?

Paul McCartney gave a useful insight into this in an interview over the summer. He claimed that back in the 1960s The Beatles may have written dozens of songs that were never released because he and John Lennon would forget the songs the following morning.

"We would write a song and just have to remember it. And there was always the risk that we’d just forget it. If the next morning you couldn’t remember it - it was gone."

How different to the way he records now then, when he can "form the thing, have it all finished, remember it all, go in pretty quickly and record it".

With technology now well ingratiated into our everyday life, researchers have been investigating the lasting impact that it is having on the way that we learn and remember information. Some research has suggested that our reliance on technology and the internet is leading to “digital amnesia”, where individuals are no longer able to retain information as a result of storing information on a digital device.

In one study, for example, 1,000 consumers aged 16 and over were asked about their use of technology. It found that 91 percent of them depended on the internet and digital devices as a tool for remembering. In another survey of 6000 people, the same study found that 71 percent of people could not remember their children’s phone numbers and 57 percent could not remember their work phone number. This suggests that relying on digital devices to remember information is impairing our own memory systems.

http://www.sciencealert.com/the-internet-is-eating-your-memory-but-something-better-is-taking-its-place


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The internet is eating your memory, but something better is taking its place (Original Post) flamingdem Nov 2015 OP
Makes sense. murielm99 Nov 2015 #1
I'm probably a Luddite tech3149 Nov 2015 #4
I thought they had parchment and quills by the 1960s? merrily Nov 2015 #2
That's what happens when you're illiterate. Igel Nov 2015 #7
I don't think they were illiterate. Not John, anyway. I've seen things in his handwriting. merrily Nov 2015 #12
Sounds familiar. silverweb Nov 2015 #3
That is something that has been my guiding principle. murielm99 Nov 2015 #5
I practically lived in our city library when I was growing up. brer cat Nov 2015 #10
Absolutely right. silverweb Nov 2015 #13
"Rarely need." Igel Nov 2015 #8
Agree in part, especially with that analogy. silverweb Nov 2015 #14
Not remembering your kids' phone numbers does not mean our memory systems are impaired. Chemisse Nov 2015 #6
/\_/\_This_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #9
+1 nt brer cat Nov 2015 #11

murielm99

(30,765 posts)
1. Makes sense.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:56 AM
Nov 2015

I have trouble with phone numbers. Why remember them when they are in "contacts?"

When someone asks me for a phone number, I am often embarrassed.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
4. I'm probably a Luddite
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:22 AM
Nov 2015

I quit working in 2002 and haven't had a cell or any other portable computing device since. While they were valuable tools for work they were soul sucking chains around my neck.
I'm a bit of an odd duck regarding remembering numbers. I even remember license plates from decades ago.
One thing I found works for me is to write it down. Even if you never read it again it seems like the act of committing it to paper makes it easier to remember.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. I thought they had parchment and quills by the 1960s?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:57 AM
Nov 2015

Even portable whatchamacallits--typewriters?

Shame about the songs.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
7. That's what happens when you're illiterate.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:58 AM
Nov 2015

If you compose a poem and can't remember it the next morning because you're both self-medicating and don't know how to write it down, oops.

Same for a song.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. I don't think they were illiterate. Not John, anyway. I've seen things in his handwriting.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:38 PM
Nov 2015

Not originals, of course.

A portable typewriter would not have been that different from a keyboard. Also, they could have made audio tapes on some device or other. Plus, each of their songs was making so much money, it would have been more than worth their while to have someone on the road with them at all times, just for the purpose of writing down the lyrics and music.

If I had been their agent or a friend, they would have had to say that to me once and I would have found some way to fix it.

I guess what I am saying is that this is not making sense to me.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
3. Sounds familiar.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:16 AM
Nov 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I had an English teacher in high school (aeons ago) who said, "Intelligence isn't remembering a lot of information. Intelligence is knowing where and how to find the information you want." That was long before personal computers.

Her point at the time was similar to one in the article: There's no reason to clutter up your mind with memorizing information you may only rarely need; just know how to find it if you do need it. Focus on learning, remembering, and integrating what is actually important and useful to you.

murielm99

(30,765 posts)
5. That is something that has been my guiding principle.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:30 AM
Nov 2015

I am a retired librarian. When they were small, one of my kids told someone, "Go to the library and ask my mom. She knows everything."

This was obviously before puberty!

I told him, "I do not know everything. I know where to find it."

My memory has always been good, though. I think it goes with the job. I noticed it in many of my colleagues. The stuff just sticks in your brain. It helped me test well, but understanding patterns and how to apply that understanding is better. I think that helped me even more on tests, and certainly with reference and readers' advisory questions.

brer cat

(24,615 posts)
10. I practically lived in our city library when I was growing up.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

Librarians honed skills and values that were incomplete in our classroom curriculum and were often missing at home. Improving our research skills was certainly important, but I think even simple things like appropriate care of a shared book carried over into respect for property, people and nature in adults. I look at today's throw-away, littering society and wonder how much time these people spent in libraries growing up.

I am way OT, but I do think librarians rock!

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
13. Absolutely right.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]This, about "understanding patterns and how to apply that understanding," as well as being able to reason things out based on an underlying theme or principle - so very much more important than memorizing a load of facts for tests. Like you, I tested well as a result - I think because I was able to make accurate educated guesses when I hadn't actually memorized the answer to a question.

I lived in the library when I was young, too, always had my nose in one book or another - and my very first job was as a public library "aide," which was heaven on earth for me.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
8. "Rarely need."
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:04 AM
Nov 2015

At the same time, critical thinking faculties require having a set of facts to call upon, not just potential facts or their location.

Knowledge isn't facts. It's knowing the relationship among facts and how they're structured.

Most of the facts that are taught in schools recur constantly. So in the class I teach I find that kids can't handle fractions--they know where to find the information, but then they're much slower at dealing with them. They know who to ask for help with algebra. They know where to find information.

But when it comes to applying that information in real time, when it comes to integrating the information, it's like building a house when you know that the lumber is in the lumber yard, nails in the hardware store, roofing materials in a depot. The blueprints are at the main office, and you know you have the books for figuring out how to hook up the plumbing, wiring, and making sure that the structure's up to code. While the workmen are there, you're struggling to pull it all together, and since you don't get it together by the time they knock off you return it to its starting point that evening and try again the next day. Two months later you've barely moved, are in breech of contract, and say it's unfair.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
14. Agree in part, especially with that analogy.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:22 PM
Nov 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]You're absolutely right that factual information is necessary and how to integrate/apply it is a critical skill. It's necessary in basic math, which is all most people ever use. Higher math beyond basic algebra and geometry is, in my view, more about learning logical thinking than memorizing a mathematical process of questionable use in everyday life.

Facts are also very necessary for learning one's own language or a foreign one - how to spell, conjugate, use proper grammar, etc. There are necessary facts that underlie the whole structure of a subject and need to be learned.

However, I think it can be very different in other subjects, like history and literature, for example. There, overall themes and interpretations are far more important than names and dates. Unless you're a history buff, who won which battle in what year is pretty useless, but the era, the part of the world, and why that particular war was fought are important for an overall understanding of history. The specific details can always be looked up if there's ever the need, but memorizing them just for a test is, imho, generally a waste of time and brain power.

Similarly, the overall theme and contextual interpretation of a great book are more important than the characters' names or specific plot twists. An understanding of literary devices is important for reading well, it's true ("I see what the author did there!&quot , but not necessarily their names. (Thinking specifically of "The Jungle" here; I can't recall a single character's name or any particular literary devices used, but I vividly remember significant events, the reasons Sinclair wrote the novel, and the disappointingly selfish reaction from the public, most of whom completely missed the whole point of the book.)

So yes, facts are important, but critical thinking skills, powers of deduction, and, as you said, understanding patterns/relationships and the ability integrate information are more important.

That's what's lacking in this "teaching to the test" nonsense we're seeing so much of today. And that is why the internet is so useful - freeing up brain space for "what," "how," why," and patterns/trends/relationships, instead of just cluttering it up with details about "who," "when," and "where," which can always be accessed if needed.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
6. Not remembering your kids' phone numbers does not mean our memory systems are impaired.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:33 AM
Nov 2015

That's a heck of a leap.

It just means we don't make the effort to remember that particular information because it's not necessary to do so.

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