Did GOP Insiders Steal the Kentucky Governor's Race for Tea Partier Matt Bevin?
Did GOP Insiders Steal the Kentucky Governor's Race for Tea Partier Matt Bevin?
Lower down the ballot, many Democrats got
tens of thousands more votes than Bevin.
By Brad Friedman / Brad Blog November 5, 2015
We see, again, the nightmare scenario I've warned about for so many years: a U.S. election where all of the pre-election polls suggest Candidate X is set to win, but Candidate Y ends up winning by a huge margin instead and nobody even bothers to verify that the computer tabulated results accurately reflect the intent of the voters.
That's exactly what happened in Kentucky on Tuesday, where Democratic Attorney General Jack Conway was leading by a fair margin (about 3 to 5 points) in almost every pre-election poll in his race for Governor, but then ended up being announced as the loser to 'Tea Party' Republican candidate Matt Bevin by a landslide (almost 9 points) --- according to the state's 100% unverified computer tabulation systems.
As detailed on today's program with my guest Karoli Kuns of Crooks And Liars, there are a number of reasons to question the reported results. Among them, as Kuns points out today at C&L, the Democrats running in the down ballot races --- for Secretary of State, Attorney General (Conway's current job) and even state Auditor --- each reportedly received tens of thousands more votes than Conway did at the top of the ticket!
Bev Harris, of BlackBoxVoting.org, who I spoke with earlier today, described the higher vote totals in the down ballot races as a "significant anomaly". She tells me that, at least until more records are requested and examined, the KY-Gov's race "has to be looked at as a questionable outcome, particularly because of the discrepancies in the down ballot races. More votes in those races and not at the top...that just doesn't happen."
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Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)They rigged the system to win the governor's contest, but failed to cover the other offices. Oops! Now we know. Of course, there is no way to verify the fraud, since the system is designed to be defrauded without leaving a trace of the crime. Meanwhile, we keep passing voter ID laws because a dozen or so illegal Mexicans might register to vote in Texas. Our democratic process is broken.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Because it just shaves fraction of votes....and the way to beat them at that game....and the way to defeat that kind of cheating.....are landslides.....landslides. The sooner we unify behind one candidate the better.....let them beat the,shit out of each other while we prrfect our ground game
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Why America ignores proven models of election ballot security is itself a crime.
And 33% voter turnout....how is that not a statistical variation worthy of a forensic audit?
And how can an election be valid when the majority of voting eligible votes were not cast, for whatever reason? How is not participating a "protest" or a "protest vote" if it is not a protest or a vote??
That 16.5% of the voting public choose the Governor is a crime against democracy....and math.
Restore the trust in voting the Republicans have purposely tried to destroy....with some success!
WaitWut
(71 posts)Why America ignores proven models of election ballot security is itself a crime.
Most of us realize that a completely digital system without any third party oversight is a ridiculous way to conduct an election process.
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater. -Frank Zappa
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)circle in the dot and scan in machine = paper ballot. go back and check. should be required in every state. if the ACT's allow it why not.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Go look at www.blackboxvoting.org and have a look around there. You'll see the numerous ways scanned votes can be altered and/or flipped.
think
(11,641 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)for sharing
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Go figure.
kimbutgar
(21,177 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:16 AM - Edit history (1)
They will come out and say the polls were wrong.
I remember reading there is a way to change votes and results to the national tabulators. Hillary should also be addressing "election" fraud. If she wants to be president do bad she could be denied it by gop fraud.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)elleng
(131,073 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)We had 45 % voter turn out. That is amazing. The norm is about 32%. They cam out to vote on issue 3. The polling showed issue 3 with a 57% favorable.
They out spent the opposition , 20 to 1 .I never saw a single add against issue 3. Never saw any kind of add at all. The did not bother working to defeat the issue. The vote was about 20 million to 10 million votes against issue 3.
So what happened here, with our die bold computer voting machines is tht that they simply flipped the vote. Such a shame. The will of the people has been compromised.
The Vote in Kansas was obviously compromised,they are suing to get the records but the State Attorney is fighting them. Even if someone has the money to sue the state of Ohio for the voting records, it will take years and cost millions.
They are very good at hacking the vote these days.We are rapidly descending into fascism and will not stop until we hit bottom. I fear that its already too late.
elleng
(131,073 posts)DAMN the Dem ptb for ignoring this for all these years.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)They have been cheating for over a decade now and it's very easy to cheat when you know nobody will object or demand even an audit. This I believe is the primary reason that people are so frustrated that their will is being thwarted. Big money is part of the problem, but the voting machines are the CENTRAL problem. If the vote were by hand-counted paper ballots, the people would quickly be healed of their frustration and the whole complexion of politics USA would change.
eridani
(51,907 posts)penndragon69
(788 posts)electronic voting without verifiable paper trails
and a triple redundant verification system.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)If everybody is not for a different accountability, then just accept the Democrats that republicans approve to work with.
KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)God bless Brad Friedman and his relentless investigative reporting on election "abnormalities". Why are DNC and the other candidate silent? Did no one notice the oddity of down ticket Dems winning by thousands but not the Governor's race? What will it take to wake the country up about the danger of using these machines without confirming their accuracy?
The sad part is this is not a new issue. Our country votes on electronic voting machines owned and serviced by GOP contributing corporations which do not permit access to the source codes is not ok. Therefore, there is no accountability. Period.
Sigh.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)Democratic candidates on the ticket, but don't bother to vote for the governor. In what world doesthat happen?
Raster
(20,998 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)Democrats tend to be very conservative and sometimes both parties have been known to run nut jobs for office (in my opinion, Bevin qualifies for that description but he appealed to the evangelicals). So not everyone votes straight ticket. Grimes had pretty broad support - she probably had republicans come over and vote for her. The same with Beshear, he had both name recognition and he was running against a guy that I heard several people describe as "an overgrown frat boy". I wouldn't be shocked to learn of a stolen election, but I don't think there's strong evidence for it. Plus, it is a dem - Grimes - who is the Sec of State so she would be in charge of running the election.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)The discrepancy is in the actual number of votes. Thousands marked ballots for candidates running for a particular office then didn't bother to mark the ballot for the governors office? It really is an anomaly.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)I didn't understand that part.
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)czarjak
(11,287 posts)"Give us control of the voting apparatus."
paul ofnoclique
(81 posts)He was too busy in Kentucky, Fixing It, just like he Fixed It in Florida 15 years ago.