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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:09 PM Nov 2015

The Ben Carson Contradiction: Why Intelligent People Can Be Stupid, Too

And, yes, there are the very big issues of deceit, although even there one can explore the issues of memory. Regardless, Carson's case is worth exploring on a human level. These two pieces cover some really interesting ground toward that end, IMO. Both pieces are written by MDs, offering some further exploration of the concerns about Carson.

The Ben Carson Contradiction by Steven Novella, MD
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-ben-carson-contradiction/#more-8543

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I bring all this up in order to address a question – how can one person be undeniably brilliant in one sphere of their intellectual life, and shockingly ignorant and anti-intellectual in other spheres? I have heard this question often in recent weeks, pretty much every time a new revelation about Carson’s beliefs comes out.

I don’t think this is as much of a contradiction as it may at first seem. Carson is evidence for something that I have tried to emphasize often here – all humans suffer from similar cognitive flaws and biases. We can all be brilliant and stupid at the same time, and apparently have no difficulty compartmentalizing our beliefs in order to minimize cognitive dissonance.

I write frequently about the neuroscience of belief, because I think there is no greater insight we can have than how our own brains function, because that is the tool we use to understand the rest of the universe. Invariably, however, when I discuss a specific cognitive flaw or bias, the common reaction is the equivalent of, “Yeah, other people are stupid.”

Take, for example, the Dunning-Kruger effect. I almost universally hear this principle described as, “dumb people are too dumb to realize how dumb they are.” The data, however, does not support this conclusion. It does not reveal something about “dumb people,” but rather something about all people. We are all on the Dunning-Kruger spectrum, and we can be on different places on the spectrum with regard to different areas of knowledge, at the same time.

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Ben Carson: A case study on why intelligent people are often not skeptics by David Gorski, MD
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/11/06/ben-carson-why-intelligent-people-are-not-necessarily-skeptics/

"As a surgeon, I find Ben Carson particularly troubling. By pretty most reports, he was a skilled neurosurgeon who practiced for three decades, rising to the chief of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. Yet, when he ventures out of the field of neurosurgery—even out of his own medical specialty—he routinely lays down some of the dumbest howlers I’ve ever heard. For example, he denies evolution, but, even worse, he’s been a shill for a dubious supplement company, Mannatech. Worse still, when called out for his relationship with Mannatech in the last Republican debate, Carson lied through his teeth about it. The pseudoscientific views he relates have been so bad that he led me to resurrect some old schtick that I had abandoned years ago about physicians denying evolution leading me to put a paper bag over my head in shame for my profession. I’m also reminded of it not just by media stories about Carson’s latest verbal gaffe but because I work within easy walking distance of the Ben Carson High School of Medicine and Science, a STEM-related high school designed to encourage high school students to pursue careers in the sciences.

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As a physician and a surgeon, I never cease to be amazed at how brilliant physicians, who are so knowledgeable and skilled at medicine, can be so irredeemably ignorant about topics not related to medicine, and even, as was the case with Ben Carson’s dubious cancer cure testimonial for Mannatech, medical topics not related to their specific specialty. Indeed, Andy Borowitz nailed it well when portrayed Carson as “shattering the stereotype about brain surgeons being smart.”

Or did he?

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It’s not surprising, then, that physicians might come to overestimate their ability to master another discipline, at least well enough to pontificate confidently on it. Of course we can! We’re doctors! We made it through the ringer that is medical school, residency, and board certification. Just give me enough time and enough Google and we can learn anything! Is it any wonder that physicians are particularly prone to the Dunning-Kruger effect? Not to me, at least not any more. The same seems to be true of many other high-achieving people. There’s a reason that most leaders in the antivaccine movement tend to be affluent, highly educated people. J.B. Handley, for instance, is a successful businessman who has basically said that he doesn’t need to listen to us pointy-headed scientists and physicians; he’s learned what he needs to learn about vaccines causing autism himself.

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The Ben Carson Contradiction: Why Intelligent People Can Be Stupid, Too (Original Post) HuckleB Nov 2015 OP
I am happy that Carson has gotten the attention he has. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #1
Indeed. One never knows what will lead to new insights for us all. HuckleB Nov 2015 #2
Trump is puzzling. murielm99 Nov 2015 #5
k and r and bookmarking for reading later. niyad Nov 2015 #3
Bookmarked. bvf Nov 2015 #4
I don't find this unusual - look at many Republican political leaders swilton Nov 2015 #6

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. I am happy that Carson has gotten the attention he has.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

If it wasn't for that I would still be thinking Dunning-Kruger was a dumb people only syndrome.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
2. Indeed. One never knows what will lead to new insights for us all.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015


PS: I'm not sure what there is to learn when it comes to Trump, however. Hmm.

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
5. Trump is puzzling.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:23 AM
Nov 2015

He isn't just a selfish egomaniac. He lies, too, but not in the same way as Carson.

There is something else wrong there. It takes someone with more skill and knowledge of psychology than me to figure it out.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
6. I don't find this unusual - look at many Republican political leaders
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

The contradictions between their successes in the political, legal, corporate domains and their apparent ignorance when it comes to religious zealotry, women's rights, human rights, political science, evolution, global warming and the list goes on.

I don't believe that the phenomenon described above is isolated to Carson or for that matter Republicans.

Thanks for posting and I hope there is more discussion on this.

And here's another thought - perhaps OT but I'm going to throw it out there....I'm a scholar of Russian history and politics (please don't refer to me or dismiss me as a Putin lover) but I do take every opportunity to learn more not just about history and its chronology of events but culture, society, philosophy, etc. I've taken icon painting from a Russian artist and although having painted one icon - know a mere fraction about what goes into that discipline. Anyway - here's my point. One of many things that I find admirable about Russian society is their education system. Lenin for all his sins made a point after the Russian Revolution to implement a vast public education system that strove to educate the masses. I just found out recently that one interesting aspect of that education system was that until recently (I'd say within the past 50 years, probably much less) that education did not use the tool of multiple choice questions on exams.....I was told this by a Russian and it didn't hit me to ask a follow-up question....but I find that very interesting.

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