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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:19 PM Jan 2016

Real Scientific Literacy

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/real-scientific-literacy/

"What does it mean to be scientifically literate? There is no completely objective answer to this question, it can be defined in multiple ways and the bar can be set anywhere along a spectrum.

Many tests of scientific literacy essentially ask a series of scientific facts – they are tests of factual knowledge, but not scientific thinking. This glaring deficit has been pointed out many times before, and was so again in a recent editorial by Danielle Teller. She writes:

There are a number of problems with teaching science as a collection of facts. First, facts change. Before oxygen was discovered, the theoretical existence of phlogiston made sense. For a brief, heady moment in 1989, it looked like cold fusion (paywall) was going to change the world.

I agree. A true measure of scientific literacy should be a combination of facts, concepts, and process. Facts are still important. Concepts without facts are hollow, and facts without concepts are meaningless. Both need to be understood in the context of the process that led us to our current conclusions.

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A good read. A necessary read, IMO.

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Real Scientific Literacy (Original Post) HuckleB Jan 2016 OP
Is GMO safety a scientific fact? immoderate Jan 2016 #1
You could start another thread if you want to discuss a topic of your choice. HuckleB Jan 2016 #3
GMO is not one thing. hunter Jan 2016 #6
This is often overlooked. immoderate Jan 2016 #8
Ah! Steve Novella. A good guy! R&K nt longship Jan 2016 #2
Very true. -eom- HuckleB Jan 2016 #16
sometimes I think I might be better to teach all the things we do not know SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #4
Scientific literacy requires VWolf Jan 2016 #5
Yes, and more. HuckleB Jan 2016 #7
Agree strongly. bvf Jan 2016 #9
Just one word (rarely heard these days) shadowmayor Jan 2016 #10
How does that apply to the content of the piece above? HuckleB Jan 2016 #11
Ignore a melt down? shadowmayor Jan 2016 #12
That does not answer my question. HuckleB Jan 2016 #13
I think we are out of sync here? shadowmayor Jan 2016 #14
Joseph Schumpeter offers his two cents. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #15
What's worse than people who are overtly scientifically illiterate... kristopher Jan 2016 #17
Maybe, but who are those people? HuckleB Jan 2016 #19
Yeah, I wonder. kristopher Jan 2016 #20
So you don't know. HuckleB Jan 2016 #21
Our mass media sure doesn't help. Archae Jan 2016 #18
Real Scientific Literacy, Part II HuckleB Jan 2016 #22

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
5. Scientific literacy requires
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jan 2016

both a knowledge of "facts" and a thorough understanding of the scientific method.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
7. Yes, and more.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

The piece, and its part 2, are quite good, especially considering the conciseness of them.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
9. Agree strongly.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

Without any understanding of how scientific findings are achieved, the average person isn't equipped to be skeptical.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
12. Ignore a melt down?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

Scientifically literate people, media and otherwise should be demanding to know just what exactly is going on at Fukushima? Any idea where reactor 3 might be? What is the total leakage? How many people have been affected. In a science based culture, folks would want to know. Instead, we have another Benghazi meme, shut the fuck up Donnie Trump 24/7 and Kardashians to boot!

The fact that this issue was so easily and quickly relegated to yesterday's news shows how scientifically illiterate we are.

And if it is mentioned, you can cue up the "It's not that bad" stories in 3 .. 2 .. 1

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
13. That does not answer my question.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

You seem to have a topic that you want to discuss that may not be related to the content of the OP.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
14. I think we are out of sync here?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

I chose a single topic - Fukushima - that involves science for any coverage of this disaster - as one prime example. Hell, declines in biodiversity, the immunologic effects of a meat industry packed with antibiotics, the odds of getting killed by a terrorist vs getting shot accidentally by an angry white American, pine bark beetles and forest fires in the west, there's no end. I just chose one glaring example dealing with the problem of ionizing radiation spilling into the biosphere to little notice or concern. Just one word, one topic that requires some science background to discuss or report what I hoped would be an obvious example of the general scientific illiteracy that permeates our culture.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
15. Joseph Schumpeter offers his two cents.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:48 AM
Jan 2016
The social sciences do the same as the natural sciences. They collect factual material and then attempt to discover regularities, that is, to order and analyze the material data. That data falls into several categories. The first is the sum of daily experiences and observations that more or less everyone has at his disposal. Should one study social science by diving into such materials? No. For the unanalyzed facts are dumb. They are the result of many causes and many countervailing forces. They can be explained in very diverse ways. They are unmasterable as given. We need to consider them, divide them into their elements, and form a judgment regarding the function of each of these elements. That is to say, we must analyze and isolate the various sides of social phenomena. Only then can we begin to discover what is essential and what is incidental, only then does true scientific work that promises to produce valid knowledge begin.

~snip~

We have to dissolve phenomena into their elements and consider each of these elements. Only then do we see the otherwise invisible regularities. So, too, in the social sciences. That is called engaging in “theory.”

~snip~

Lastly, let the beginner keep in mind that any particular theory is never valid in itself, but is always a part of a theoretical structure and can only be understood as such. One cannot grasp a particular proposition outside of its theoretical framework and discuss it as such. One has to understand it in its relationship to the other links of the chain to which it belongs.

Schumpeter, J. A. (2003, March)*. How does one study social science? Society, 57-63. *Date of translation


So soon as we have realized the possibility of ideological bias, it is not difficult to locate it. All we have to do for this purpose is to scrutinize scientific procedure. It starts from the perception of a set of related phenomena which we wish to analyze and ends up-for the time being-with a scientific model in which these phenomena are conceptualized and the relations between them explicitly formulated, either as assumptions or as propositions (theorems). This primitive way of putting it may not satisfy the logician but it is all we need for our hunt for ideological bias. Two things should be observed.

First, that perception of a set of related phenomena is a prescientific act. It must be performed in order to give to our minds something to do scientific work on-to indicate an object of research -but it is not scientific in itself. But though prescientific, it is not preanalytic. It does not simply consist in perceiving facts by one or more of our senses. These facts must be recognized as having some meaning or relevance that justifies our interest in them and they must be recognized as related-so that we might separate them from others -which involves some analytic work by our fancy or common sense. This mixture of perceptions and prescientific analysis we shall call the research worker's Vision or Intuition. In practice, of course, we hardly ever start from scratch so that the prescientific act of vision is not entirely our own. We start from the work of our predecessors or contemporaries or else from the ideas that float around us in the public mind. In this case our vision will also contain at least some of the results of previous scientific analysis. However, this compound is still given to us and exists before we start scientific work ourselves.

~snip~

Now, so soon as we have performed the miracle of knowing what we cannot know, namely the existence of the ideological bias in ourselves and others, we can trace it to a simple source. This source is in the initial vision of the phenomena we propose to subject to scientific treatment. For this treatment itself is under objective control in the sense that it is always possible to establish whether a given statement, in reference to a given state of knowledge, is provable, refutable, or neither. Of course this does not exclude honest error or dishonest faking. It does not exclude delusions of a wide variety of types. But it does permit the exclusion of that particular kind of delusion which we call ideology because the test involved is indifferent to any ideology. The original vision, on the other hand, is under no such control. There, the elements that will meet the tests of analysis are, by definition, undistinguishable from those that will not or-as we may also put it since we admit that ideologies may contain provable truth up to 100 per cent-the original vision is ideology by nature and may contain any amount of delusions traceable to a man's social location, to the manner in which he wants to see himself or his class or group and the opponents of his own class or group. This should be extended even to peculiarities of his outlook that are related to his personal tastes and conditions and have no group connotation-there is even an ideology of the mathematical mind as well as an ideology of the mind that is allergic to mathematics.

Schumpeter, J. (1949). Science and ideology. The American Economic Review(39) 2, p. 346-359.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
17. What's worse than people who are overtly scientifically illiterate...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

...are those who erroneously think they are scientifically literate and spend their time lecturing on the topic.

Archae

(46,344 posts)
18. Our mass media sure doesn't help.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

News channels use outdated and outmoded terms like "missing link," or want to give space to "both sides."
Even if the "other side" is a group of crackpots.

Entertainment media still describe those with brains as "nerds," "mad scientists," or "geeks" who either want to destroy the universe or will never get the good looking girl or guy.

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