Trump Says ‘Very Secret Papers’ May Show ‘The Saudis’ Knocked Down World Trade Center

[CJCRANE]

EXCERPT:

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump has made relitigating 9/11 a yuge part of his campaign, and has been doing so for a very long time, but he’s still breaking new ground on that front. No longer content to challenge Jeb Bush‘s assertion that his brother “kept us safe,” Trump is now alluding to the wheels within the wheels.

At a campaign event in Bluffton, South Carolina Wednesday morning, Trump was slamming the George W. Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq when he casually mentioned that there are “secret papers” that might show that “the Saudis” were actually responsible for the attacks on 9/11:

LINK:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-says-very-secret-papers-may-show-the-saudis-knocked-down-world-trade-center/

[EdwardBernays]

1. Not much of a secret

Members of the Saudi elite at the very least helped fund it.

[CJCRANE]

2. Why are we allied with them in "spreading democracy" in Syria then?

[EdwardBernays]

3. We're more than that

We're helping them commit war crimes in Yemen as well.

And helping them avoid UN sanctions.

It's all about the oil.

[CJCRANE]

4. It's more than that. They are already funding Wahabbism all over the world with billions of petro-$

Imagine if they get control of more oil and more money.

They are using Syria and Turkey as a base to spread their ideology. With more resources and more territory they could go into hyperdrive. Europe is about to go under as it is but imagine what would happen if Al Qaeda took over Syria.

[EdwardBernays]

5. Of course

Back when we first made the oil deal at Bitter Lake we knew what our money was going to do and we just turned a blind eye.

It's like building all the dams in Afghanistan even though we knew it would spike poppy production... Obsessed with short term gains and willfully ignorant of the longterm consequences.

[Stryst]

20. We're Hungary under Gombos

Watching while Hitler starts gobbling up all the smaller and weaker nations around himself. Eventually, we'll be too involved and it'll be to late to stop the Saudi's from ethnic and religious purges of their neighboring states.

[CJCRANE]

22. Yep...

And they're trying to flood the west with millions of people from this region to bring us into the fold too.

[admonish]

17. why?

...um, oil?...think back to the lineups in the 70s...and consider the low oil prices of late have crushed the competition (that is, especially expensive local oil)...they're the devil we need

[CJCRANE]

21. I'm pretty sure America could become self-sufficient in oil and energy sources.

However the current oil glut will allow bankrupt US oil facilities to be bought for pennies on the dollar by foreign interests.

So it isn't really bout "we", it's more about "them": the 1% and their foreign buddies.

[arcane1]

52. "Money trumps peace." - George W. Bush n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. And weren't most of the guys who did it Saudi nationals?

Ah, here we go, 15 out of 19 of the hijackers were Saudis.

Hijackers by Airplane:

American Airlines Flight 11
Mohamed Atta - Egypt, tactical leader of 9/11 plot and pilot
Abdul Aziz al Omari - Saudi Arabia
Wail al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Waleed al Shehri - Saudi Arabia
Satam al Suqami - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 175
Fayez Banihammad - United Arab Emirates
Ahmed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Hamza al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Marwan al Shehhi - United Arab Emirates, pilot
Mohand al Shehri - Saudi Arabia

American Airlines Flight 77
Hani Hanjour - Saudi Arabia, pilot
Nawaf al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Salem al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia
Khalid al Mihdhar - Saudi Arabia
Majed Moqed - Saudi Arabia

United Airlines Flight 93
Saeed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia
Ahmad al Haznawi - Saudi Arabia
Ziad Jarrah - Lebanon, pilot
Ahmed al Nami - Saudi Arabia

[EdwardBernays]

7. Yep

Plus there's AMPLE evidence that their role - the Saudis - was covered up by the US.

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/

"He also says the F.B.I. withheld from his inquiry, as well as a subsequent one, the fact that the bureau had investigated a Saudi family in Sarasota, Fla., and had found multiple contacts between it and the hijackers training nearby until the family fled just before the attacks.

Despite the F.B.I.’s insistence to the contrary, Mr. Graham said there was no evidence that the bureau had ever disclosed that line of investigation to his panel or the national commission that reviewed the attacks and delivered a report in 2004.

“One thing that irritates me is that the F.B.I. has gone beyond just covering up, trying to avoid disclosure, into what I call aggressive deception,” Mr. Graham said during an interview in a family office in this Miami suburb, which rose on what was a dairy farm operated by Mr. Graham’s father, also a political leader in Florida."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/world/middleeast/florida-ex-senator-pursues-claims-of-saudi-ties-to-sept-11-attacks.html?referer=

[Carolina]

40. Absolutely

That is what I would yell at the TV during W's push to war against Iraq. I always wondered why Dems, some left leaning media talking heads, etc. didn't challenge Condiliar, Rummy, Cheney, etc. This is why HRC's vote for IWR was all the more egregious.

So, finally someone is saying what we have known for ages. Too bad it's Trump. Guess it takes a repuke to call repukes on their treason. The Dems have been cowardly go-along-to-get-alongs.

[bemildred]

8. Trump, so reckless, so undiplomatic, so uncircumspect, so crude.

Like a heat-seeking missile out to destroy the Republican Party as it now exists.

[CJCRANE]

9. Is that a bad thing? How come there are no Democrats saying this?

Except perhaps for retired Senator Bob Graham.

[bemildred]

11. The Democratic Party would not know what to do with itself without the Republicans as a scapegoat.

The two major parties are very dependent on each other, they are enemies about as much as Hulk Hogan and Jesse Ventura.

It will be a bad thing if Trump is elected, which is not impossible at all, although one suspects he will not be allowed to take office.

But I'm not too worried about that, and meanwhile he is destroying the credibility of the Republican Party, which richly deserves it.

[CJCRANE]

14. He represents a view within the Pentagon that America's fighting men and women were misused

by the neocons.

There is also a disquiet with the current policy of supporting islamists in Libya and Syria as mentioned by Michael Flynn and Seymour Hersh.

This is more widespread than can be admitted by most on this board due to its partisan nature.

This issue is much bigger than Dems vs Repubs which I don't post as much on DU as I used to.

[bemildred]

15. There should be disquiet.

It has been a folly of a high order, it really beggars description. "We're an empire now, and we make our own reality." I mean, they should be fucking enraged.

[KoKo]

25. Yes...

"...and meanwhile he is destroying the credibility of the Republican Party, which richly deserves it."

He has turned many of their major "Talking Points" back on them....exposing their hypocrisy. And, it was delightful to see him go after Bush exposing the aspects of "9/11" which our elected Dem officials long ago gave up bothering with. "Activism for Peace" and criticism of the NeoCon's policy was roundly either ignored or silenced along with the hope of revealing those responsible for "9/11," and holding them to account in any meaningful way .

That it took a Narcissistic Loose Cannon and Non-Politico to break the silence is very sad and speaks volumes about how our two parties work together. He's also hit both parties pretty hard on Big Donor Funding exposing how he gotten favors for his own contributions as he laughs at the media who just can't stop covering every crazy word out of his mouth for their own ratings.

Don't know how far he will go in this campaign. Maybe he will self-implode in a month or two..but, it's been interesting to watch! Plus...he got rid of the Bush heir apparent..!

[Lodestar]

47. Two teams....ONE owner. n/t

[bemildred]

12. Limbaugh accuses Trump of sounding like the "Democrat Underground"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027617950

How can we not approve of this? How can we not applaud?

[Carolina]

42. Exactly

The cowardly go-along-to-get-along Dems (listed below) never challenged Condiliar, Rummy, Cheney, etc. when the Saudi connection was so clear via the hijackers identities alone. Not to mention Osama bin Laden's national origin. This is why HRC's vote for IWR was especially egregious in 2002 when it was cast, in 2008 when she ran a disastrous campaign and now.

So, finally someone is saying what we have known for ages. Good for Trump (can't believe I'm saying that). Guess it takes a repuke to call repukes on their treason.

Notice the 3rd wayers and those with POTUS aspirations (bolded) who voted aye:

Bayh, Evan (D-IN) 3rd way
Baucus, Max (D-MT)
Biden, Joseph (D-DE)
Breaux, John (D-LA) sold out to big pharma
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)
Carnahan, Jean (D-MO)
Carper, Thomas (D-DE)
Cleland, Max (D-GA) disappointing that he voted aye
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY)
Daschle, Tom (D-SD)
Dodd, Chris (D-CT)
Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Edwards, John (D-NC)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA) husband's a war profiteer
Harkin, Tom (D-IA) disappointing that he voted aye
Hollings, Ernest (D-SC)
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)
Kerry, John (D-MA)
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)
Landrieu, Mary (D-LA) 3rd way
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT)
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) blue dog
Miller, Zell (D-GA) enough said
Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
Reid, Harry (D-NV)
Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV)
Schumer, Chuck (D-NY)
Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ)

[Warren Stupidity]

10. That's not a secret. A bunch of Saudis knocked down the WTC.

Their leader was a member of a prominent and vastly wealthy Saudi family.

[CJCRANE]

13. The redacted pages go further than that

according to Senator Bob Graham.

[tk2kewl]

18. great interview the Senator here

you've probably listened but putting it here for others a well

[Carolina]

43. Touche

That's why these aye voters can't say they were misled:

Bayh, Evan (D-IN)
Baucus, Max (D-MT)
Biden, Joseph (D-DE)
Breaux, John (D-LA)
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)
Carnahan, Jean (D-MO)
Carper, Thomas (D-DE)
Cleland, Max (D-GA)
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY)
Daschle, Tom (D-SD)
Dodd, Chris (D-CT)
Dorgan, Byron (D-ND)
Edwards, John (D-NC)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Harkin, Tom (D-IA)
Hollings, Ernest (D-SC)
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)
Kerry, John (D-MA)
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)
Landrieu, Mary (D-LA)
Lieberman, Joseph (D-CT)
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR)
Miller, Zell (D-GA)
Nelson, Ben (D-NE)
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)
Reid, Harry (D-NV)
Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV)
Schumer, Chuck (D-NY)
Torricelli, Robert (D-NJ)

Notice the third wayers and POTUS hopefuls (bolded)

[Nitram]

16. Blah, blah, blah. nt

[tk2kewl]

19. well thought out reply

glad you approve of your message...

have a listen to the interview with Senator Graham above

[Nitram]

48. Listening to or reading about what Trump says hurts my brain.

It really is just all noise and no signal.

[tk2kewl]

49. i understand that, but every once in a while he spits out some real truth

[Nitram]

50. Yes, but it is a random and completely accidental truth.

If you want to draw our attention to an issue, it would be best not to accompany it with any reference to Trump. That is guaranteed to taint the evidence.

[tk2kewl]

51. i hear the tainted argument, but i do not think trump or what he says is an accident

i am most certainly not a fan of the guy

[YoungDemCA]

23. He's only stating the obvious because many Republicans still believe Saddam Hussein was responsible

Ten Years Later, Belief in Iraq Connection With 9/11 Attack Persists

Despite the various commissions that concluded that Iraq was not providing support to Al Qaeda and did not have a WMD program, a “large and undiminishing minority of Americans continues to believe these were both the case.” Among those surveyed:

– 38% believe that the US has found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al Qaeda.
– 31% believe that Iraq gave substantial support to Al Qaeda but was not involved with the September attacks while an additional 15% believe that Iraq was directly involved in carrying out the September 11 attacks.
– 26% believe that Iraq had WMDs just before the Iraq War.
– 16% believe that WMDs were found in Iraq.

Additionally, among those polled, the beliefs that Iraq was connected with the 9/11 attack and that Iraq had WMDs immediately prior to the Iraq War were highly correlated with support for the Iraq War.

http://themoderatevoice.com/ten-years-later-belief-in-iraq-connection-with-911-attack-persists/

Thanks, Bush/Cheney neo-cons!

[TBF]

24. "Very secret" Most of the passports they supposedly found were Saudi. nt

[CJCRANE]

26. It goes beyond that.

See what Senator Bob Graham said.

[TBF]

37. I will look it up -

Like many I have never believed the "official" story on 9/11.

[KoKo]

39. Some Links to what Senator Bob Graham has Tried to Get Out There...(I know You Know This)

Follow the Links:

I personally like "The Real News Network's Parts of Interviews with Sen. Graham: There's more if you Search!

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Investigating the Saudi Government's 9/11 Connection and the Path to Disillusionment - Sen. Graham on Reality Asserts Itself pt 1

On RAI with Paul Jay, Senator Bob Graham explains why he persists in making the case that facts directly connect the Saudi government with 9/11 conspirators - November 27, 2013

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11103

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Sen. Graham: President Must Side With Openness About CIA and 9/11
Monday, 17 March 2014 12:36 By Paul Jay, The Real News Network | Video Interview ... Senator. BOB GRAHAM, FMR. U.S. SENATOR: Thank you very much, Paul. JAY: ...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Real+News+Network%2C+Interviews+with+Senator%2C+Bob+Graham&t=ffsb

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Lead Author Of 9/11 Report Calls For Release Of Redacted ...

Graham recalled that he and Republican Senator Richard Shelby were ... Lead Author Of 9/11 Report Calls For Release Of Redacted Pages. ... that might otherwise have slipped away in a morass of conspiracy theories gained new life Wednesday when former Sen. Bob Graham headlined a press conference ..
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[Search domain crooksandliars.com] crooksandliars.com/2015/01/former-sen-bob-graham-author-911-...

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Sen. Bob Graham Says FBI went beyond 9/11 Cover-Up to “Aggressive Deception”

http://truthinmedia.com/sen-bob-graham-says-fbi-went-beyond-911-cover-up-to-aggressive-deception/

[brush]

27. Trump better watch it. I wouldn't put assassination past these guys

Makes one wonder sometimes with Trump's uncharacteristically liberal pronouncements on Planned Parenthood, 9/11 and Bush's lies, and now this, is he a mole? Who installed him?

Just kidding. But something sure seems to be up.

[CJCRANE]

28. He represents people who are tired of both the neocon and neolib foreign policy.

[matt819]

29. What a buffoon

This is not a secret and it is not news, at least to anyone paying attention.

[CJCRANE]

30. Has any other candidate mentioned this?

[matt819]

31. To be fair, no.

And, yes, it is painful to agree with Trump - Samantha Bee did a great piece on this the other day. But Trump manages to diminish the impact of his assertion by referring to very secret papers. Then he sounds like a buffoon, like only he knows that Christmas falls on December 25.

[CJCRANE]

33. Well, what's in the papers is supposed to be top secret

but Senator Bob Graham and others hinted at what's in them.

Personally, I'm sick of being fed lies for 15 years and apparently there are a lot of people in the US military who are majorly p*ssed off at being used and abused by the neocons.

[Jerry442]

32. True, that, but until now anyone who says it publicly has been tarred as a "truther". NT

[yellowcanine]

36. Not really. The national identity of the attackers was widely talked about. Truther is

something else entirely. They say that the attacks were staged and/or that the U.S. government was in on the attacks. Not the same thing at all.

[brush]

34. Not news to us on the progressive side . . .

but even just a hint of this stuff from a repug mouth is forbidden, not to be mentioned at all.

[KoKo]

44. See Post #25 above about how questioners and "Peace Activists" were marginalized..

Hundreds of thousands of Americans protested against Bush's proposed Iraq Invasion. There were DU'ers involved posting pictures of Protests in Thousands against here in the USA and GB and Across the World.

The MSM reports these days...that there were few protests and that Americans fell in line with the Iraq Invasion and supported Bush.

That is how the Mainstream Media Lies and Rewrites History.

Now the "Democratic Undergound" supports Hillary Clinton (the War Hawk) and while there are many of us still here who protested and did everything we could to stop that War...are marginalized...because we support Bernie and NOT Hillary.

They are kind enough to keep us here as oppostion. But, it remains that all talk of WHY "9/11" happened has been pushed off as "Conspiracy Theory" and not acceptable to post about out in the Main Forums.

[brush]

45. That's all well and good but I thought we were talking about Trump?

[yellowcanine]

35. Next he will discover the extended Bin Laden family left the U.S. on chartered flights!

Good thing we have Trump on the 9-11 case!

[KoKo]

41. To be honest about Trump ...he probably had "Made Deals" with many Saudi's

and might have had a hint of what would happen. Maybe it's bothered him and eaten into his soul for all these years...that NOW he Needs to Speak Out!

[libodem]

38. This ought to be kicked

Every day forever.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

46. kick - because I wanted to say I am glad he knows the truth

and is saying it

The right wing radio nuts are going after him like Hillary is going after Sanders.