Don’t be fooled by Sanders: he’s a diehard communist - preview of GOP propaganda if Bernie get's the
... nomination.
You weren't expecting the GOP to play fair, were you? They will pull out all the stops in their propaganda assault on Sir Good-at-Heart Bernie Sanders....
And this demonization works. Look no further than the Bernie fans total belief of the GOP's demonization of Hillary Clinton. They've got Bernie fans thinking Hillary Clinton is the consort of the devil (look at how many ridiculous things Bernie fans assert about Hillary! -- Hell, without repeating GOP Big Lies about Clinton, how much of a campaign would they have? - just take a look at GD - Primaries!).
ONce the GOP get started they'll have people believing Bernie's gonna build a Kremlin on the Potomac and confiscate everybody's pick-up trucks!
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Dont be fooled by Bernie Sanders hes a diehard communist[/font]
http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/
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In the early 70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.
After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor does not believe in free enterprise.
His radical activities didnt stop at the waters edge.
Sanders took several goodwill trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.
In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a heroic revolution. Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administrations backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.
His betrayal did not end there. Sanders lobbied the White House to stop the proxy war and even tried to broker a peace deal. He adopted Managua as a sister city and invited Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega to visit the US. He exalted Ortega as an impressive guy, while attacking President Reagan.
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Why do you think GOP pols are campaigning for Bernie now? Because the last person they want to face is Hillary Clinton. And because if Bernie is the nominee they'll burn him alive with disinformation. Don't believe it? Just look at how much disinformation Bernie's fans believe and repeat about Hillary Clinton over on GD - Primaries. IT's almost everything they say!
Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders: "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee"
Republican operatives are having a strange crush on Bernie Sanders.
During Sunday nights Democratic debate, the Republican National Committee made the unusual move of sending no fewer than four real-time e-mails to reporters defending the self-described democratic socialist from attacks by Hillary Clinton or echoing his message against her. Based on their content, one could be forgiven for thinking the RNC communiques came from the Sanders campaign.
One RNC e-mail, which was titled Clintons Misleading Health Care Attack, defended the Vermont senator from what it described as the Clinton campaigns inaccurate remarks on Sanders single-payer plan, and quoted news articles that featured rebuttals of her arguments. A second message countered Clintons attacks on Sanders over gun control by pointing out her gun-friendly statements in the past. Two other e-mails sought to bolster Sanders case that Clinton is too close to Wall Street and the drug industry.
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Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanderss case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can't be trusted to crack down on big banks. Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire, a narrator in the ad says. Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?
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berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and therefore is not the type of person who would have the smarts to find their polling place.
Bernie appeals to the high-information voters. We're not going for the dolts and the assholes.
Trump all ready has them.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)funny stuff...
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Bill visited the Soviet Union.
Just a little google reveals that there are plenty of right wing talking points already trying to pair Hillary with Marxism.
One huge difference is Bernie is seen as very honest. He will pretty much be able to bat this off by simply stating (again) what Democratic Socialism is.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)Most people don't know Bernie has so many pure Communist connections. And - so much more.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)Not that many of his supporters know the extent of it.
I'm betting even you didn't know the details in the OP.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)I belong to a number of pro-Bernie Sanders groups on social media, and the sheer volume of anti-Hillary posts by individuals from conspiracy or conservative websites is staggering. These people link Breitbart, Infowars, March Against Monsanto, The Daily Caller and other websites to make their claim that Hillary Clinton is the worst person ever or that President Obama was a gay prostitute in his younger days.
As I have repeatedly stated before, I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, despite our minor differences on science and genetic technology. I switched from No Party Affiliation to Democrat for the first time in years, simply so that I could vote for Bernie.
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ish of the hammer
(444 posts)Clinton's shell company (LLC)?
You are not paying attention.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I'll bet there is a lot more of her stupid decisions and illegal activity to come out. She will lose by a landslide to almost any of them.
paleotn
(17,913 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)and the GOP is just hoping beyond measure that it will be Clinton they are up against. They have 35 plus years of delicious scandals, self-inflicted ethics violations, and borderline illegal acts to rile up their base with.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)He might use Bernie to attack Hillary. But he is not a 'supporter' or an 'endorser'.
But what the fuck. Y'all got your own right wing rat-fucker working for y'all. You have David "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty Brock.
So don't fucking have the audacity to lecture me or anyone else here about Karl Rove.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)is your friend.
Read the fucking title - 'gets some outside help he didn't ask for.
Give it up. You are so far outside of your depth you are going to look really ignorant here very quickly.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Karl Roves American Crossroads recently created an ad parroting Senator Bernie Sanderss critiques of Mrs. Clintons ties to Wall Street, made repeatedly last week in the days before Sundays debate.
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All of it, of course, is intended to ... promote the Democratic candidate they believe would be weaker in a general election. Republican groups and super PACs have spent nearly $5 million targeting Mrs. Clinton so far this cycle.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)It's a new scandal with this one every year!
She still hasn't released her transcripts.
She is still being investigated by the FBI.
That's the problem with HRC. The baggage never ends.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)They have been at war with her for more than two decades. While they've won many suckers among the BErnie fans, they still have not been successful in killing off Hillary. They know who they want as an opponent and it's Sanders. They don't have the "He's a Commie in Socialist Clothing" meme to use on Clinton. This is the most potent propaganda theme they could use.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But, you're their target audience.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And you're the one being swayed by it, and bringing to here to try to convince us of the potency of it. You're the target audience, Bill USA.
I think maybe you don't understand how right-wing Rovian propaganda works. calling it political jujitsu gives it too much credit... it's more like, hmmm, roach bait. One bug nibbles the stuff, brings it back to the others, and inadverdantly poisons them too.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)effectiveness I state:
Bernie fans have swallowed just about every Big Lie the GOP has spread about Hillary Clinton. For proof I stated just look at the posts by Bernie fans - most of which parrot GOP anti-Hillary propaganda.
IF the GOP propaganda was "potent" to me, I'd be a Bernie fan.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Unfortunately, the person you're engaging with isn't even close to being able to keep up.
"But Brawndo's got electrolytes!"
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)1. Are you aware that millennials view socialism more favorably than capitalism?
2. Are you aware that the only people who are still, in 2016, susceptible to 1950's-style red-baiting are right-wingers who won't be voting for the Democratic candidate no matter what?
3. Do you even know what electrolytes are?
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)one, it's best just to scrape the malodorous mass off your shoe and move on. You are not likely to establish a meaningful dialogue with a turd.
I'm scraping this off as fast as I can Bill...
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)... you'll have to convey your sentiment to the authors of the articles I referenced in the OP. I just passed along what was said.
Here are a couple more articles you'll no doubt find displeasing. Nonetheless, sticking your head down a hole won't make unpleasant realities go away.
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What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?"
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When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with.[/font] Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
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But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the Right in a general election.[/font]
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They're going to ask when he stopped being a communist, and when he objects that he was never a communist they're going to ask why he's so defensive about his communist past, why he's so eager to avoid the questions that have been raised, the questions that people are talking about.
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6 Political Scientists: would Sanders have a shot in the GE? Or: how bad could it get? - VOX.com[/font]
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...and what they'll use against Hillary. Educated voters long ago figured out the GOP will call anyone to the left of Attila the Hun a communist.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
On the Road
(20,783 posts)Sanders's Soviet flag and his documentary on Eugene Debs are not well known yet, but they will be if he wins.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:01 PM - Edit history (1)
more credible. I'm quite sure that saying he's a commie is ridiculous. but, with some attendance of meetings, being a member of some organizations, etc. it can give GOP's wild accusations the appearance of credibility. Their accusations will be ridiculous but we can't rely on all people to have enough sense to see that.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)one, it's best just to scrape the malodorous mass off your shoe and move on. You are not likely to establish a meaningful dialogue with a turd.
I'm scraping this off as fast as I can Bill...
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)........
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)this may seem like an exaggeration but I've seen what the GOP can do for several decades. They are very proficient at demonizing and demogoguery. And as I said, you only have to look at most of what Bernie fans say about Hillary Clinton to see how effective their demonizing and propaganda spewing can be. Bernie's fans have swallowed it hook line and sinker!
here's an example of making something out of nothing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016152365
Bernie fans think this will provide evidence of HRC's 'depravity'.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)at demonizing and demagoguery. All you have to do is look at what Hillary fans spew at Bernie to se how effective their propaganda can be. Hillary's fans have swallowed it hook line and sinker!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)paleotn
(17,913 posts)...4 year degree, $75k+ in debit and very limited job possibilities tend to do that. Hell, even old farts like me who distinctly remember "duck and cover" don't really care anymore. Commie has lost most of its oomph.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)I LOVE Bernie and supported him from the outset, but there comes a point where you have to accept reality. The GOP has barely started on Bernie and they have been sliming Hillary for 25 years. In other words, they have already pounded Hillary as far down as they probably can. If Bernie gets the nomination, you will see the slime flying like never before from the GOP.
So, before you totally demonize Hillary, you better understand that Bernie's poll numbers will take a serious hit if he becomes the nominee. The question you need to ask yourself is if you honestly think he can withstand the sliming he will get. We know they can't do much more to hurt Hillary. We are the only ones that can do that.
I suggest you THINK about that before you make her out to be the devil.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)The GOP of Vermont was unable to hurt him. As a matter of fact it was quite common to see pro-Bernie signs in the same yards as pro-Conservative signs. Bernie has an appeal across partisan lines that Hillary does not have. I am not worried about the hit jobs the GOP operatives might try.
While true, Bernie will face more forces than Hillary because of Wall Street, I see no reason why Bernie can't fight through it with honesty, transparency and by stickung to his populist beliefs.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Why do you think Sanders moved there from Brooklyn? It's even bluer than New York. OF COURSE the GOP was not able to hurt him in Vermont. They did not even try. In fact, NRA actually ran ads against his pro-gun control GOP opponent - that's how Sanders got into Congress. Sanders then voted against the Brady Bill 5 times and for the NRA's most sought after legislation to give gun manufacturers special immunities, the PLCAA. I'd say the GOP were pretty happy with what they could get in Vermont.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)someone who, the GOP would make sure, couldn't get elected.
There of course, are some other serious considerations. Even if Bernie could get elected, he's 74 yrs old now. Could he survive one whole term in the most killing job on Earth? If he did survive, would he not be bright enough to say, "NO" to a second term, knowing as he, at that time would be 78. He certainly would realize that he likely would not 'see' his 82nd birthday if he tried to serve a second term. --- Handling the Presidency is tough enough but fighting the degenerate GOP all the while makes it even tougher.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)But thanks for your concern...
MisterP
(23,730 posts)except that's coming when his back's turned
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Senator McCaskill couldn't.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)What you highlight simply asserts what I am questioning. Moreover, while I won't deny that a fellow Sandernista goes off the reservation now and then, I don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out that Mrs. Clinton gets a lot of money from Wall Street banks and has consistently defended their misbehavior and supported legislation that decriminalizes that misbehavior. If she isn't bought, it's only because she's just plain wrong where Senator Sanders has been right.
Sorry, but democratic socialism is the socialism of western European democracies and resembles Stalinism about as much as a homo sapiens resembles a corporation. I know there are some people who need to be told there's a difference, but I have faith in the people to believe than most know the difference and won't be fooled by liars who try to tell them otherwise.
We know that Bernioe's democratic socialism is better than neoliberalism and crony capitalism. All that the latter has brought us is NSA spying, an incredibly disappearing middle class, income inequality and pointless wars.
In short, your answer is unsatisfactory. What makes you think the children of Joe McCarthy's Cold War hysteria can still sell that garbage when the surrogates of Bill Clinton's neoliberal wife can't?
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)And Hillary and Bill's pandering speeches to their Corporate Funders are going to surface, surely "get unpacked' once she gets the nomination. Hillary's 47% speech is there, plenty of Koch-Rove allies were in her audiences, and it's just plain naive to think that
that bombshell (more likely bombshells) won't drop once the Dems are inescapably locked into her.
Sanders "dirty Commie laundry" has had plenty of attention already with little impact and actually shows he's been right all along.The pile of Hillary's "dirty Neoliberal laundry" and plenty of Repubs despise it as "crony capitalism" just keeps growing and growing; that's been one of the, I think, underestimated sources of oppositions to Hillary and even shed plenty of public shade on Bill's presidency and the Clinton Foundation.
Sanders is our FDR for the 21st century, the century we're living in now btw, where Bernie's Dem Socialism operates in Western Europe (with high customer satisfaction) and has charismatic, massively popular supporters from the Pope to the new PM of Canada.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?"
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Partly this is because the GOP has been very careful so far not to go after Sanders. They show every indication of preferring him as an opponent, so they have no reason to hurt his chances in the primary.
But if he wins, they will rain down fire.
And the organs of the right will feel absolutely no obligation to be fair. They're not going to be saying, like Sanders's Democratic critics, "Aw, Bernie, you dreamer."
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They're going to ask when he stopped being a communist, and when he objects that he was never a communist they're going to ask why he's so defensive about his communist past, why he's so eager to avoid the questions that have been raised, the questions that people are talking about.
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)No one naive enough to take that steer manure the least bit seriously is voting for Trump anyway. It isn't likely to get a waive a new converts going forward. It's no more credible than than Derrell Issa's spin on Benghazi.
The thought of sixth consecutive neoliberal president who will pursue the same policies that have plagued America since Reagan scares me. The thought of a democratic socialist in the White House trying to set the country back on the right track is one I find comforting.
You are using scare tactics and it is a colossal failure.
fbc
(1,668 posts)dchill
(38,493 posts)for bringing these brand-new, honest-to-Brock facts to light! We're so lucky to have somebody with your insider connections to the HRC PATRIOTIC BANKSTER PARTY Campaign to show us the way!
BE PROUD!
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)dchill
(38,493 posts)We all know who is the candidate with the most negative liabilities, and who is the most vulnerable to Republican attack. They would RATHER run against her. They know it. I know it. And here is the real kicker - YOU know it.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)one, it's best just to scrape the malodorous mass off your shoe and move on. You are not likely to establish a meaningful dialogue with a turd.
I'm scraping this off as fast as I can Bill...
Bill USA
(6,436 posts).. you'll have to convey your sentiment to the authors of the articles I referenced in the OP. I just passed along what was said.
Here are a couple more articles you'll no doubt find displeasing. Nonetheless, sticking your head down a hole won't make unpleasant realities go away.
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What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?"
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When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with.[/font] Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
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But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the Right in a general election.[/font]
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They're going to ask when he stopped being a communist, and when he objects that he was never a communist they're going to ask why he's so defensive about his communist past, why he's so eager to avoid the questions that have been raised, the questions that people are talking about.
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6 Political Scientists: would Sanders have a shot in the GE? Or: how bad could it get? - VOX.com[/font]
vkkv
(3,384 posts)I can play along, too.
This is what the RNC will say about HRC if she is the nominee: Hillary is a die-hard fascist. She favors corporations over people. There is no end to her corruption.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)But you know that and are just agitating the metabolic byproducts container as usual.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)"Just a few weeks ago, reports broke that Bill Clinton had flown at least 11 times on The Lolita Express a private plane owned by the mysterious financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. According to Virginia Roberts, who claims to have been one of Epsteins many teenage sex slaves, Clinton also visited Epsteins private Caribbean retreat, known as Orgy Island.
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Is Bill Clintons baggage going to derail Hillary Clintons presidential hopes?Photo: WireImage
I remember asking Jeffrey, Whats Bill Clinton doing here? Roberts said in 2011. The former president, she added, was accompanied by four young girls during his stay two of whom were among Epsteins regular sex partners. And [Jeffrey] laughed it off and said, Well, he owes me a favor. He never told me what favors they were.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/
arcane1
(38,613 posts)You can let the republicans make your choice for you if you want. I'll make my own choice.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)voters already believe one of these attacks.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)For the people that push this phrase that I have come across, have failure echoed in their voice upon uttering it. Even they realize it is utter bullcrap.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Same stuff they said about Obama. What will you bet me they claim Sanders is secretly black?
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Interesting.
I expect the blue candidate to be shredded with lies by the repubs. And each of our candidates has experience with that. Bring it on.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Debunked over and over about Hillary, it will blast non stop, Trump will have a new battle cry. Would you think the American Crossroads would be running ads for Sanders against the GOP nominee, never.
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)People in this country are so deathly afraid of the "C" word that he would get stomped. It doesn't have to be true in this case - just used. It's almost like the very mentioning of "Communist" turns peoples' brains off and invokes the worst emotional response.
Fascist? No problem. Communist? Hair-on-fire witch-hunts.
The GOP wouldn't need to make a case against Bernie. They would just ride the red baiting to victory.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Running the government more. Ask a few
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)so that's a big deal
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)have been born in the US . And print scary pictures of him and talk about his inexperience and how he is not ready to be POTUS
&... He hangs around with communists like Bill Ayers,who co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group with the intent to overthrow imperialism,and he was a community organizer like Saul Alinsky so you know yes this guy is so far to the left he will destroy America as we know it !
Oh wait a minute how did Obama ever win??? Repukes probably preferred him over Clinton last time around when the democratic primary came too
This above bs along with red baiting works on older whites maybe but that group over 45 had mor yrepublican voters than dems anyway the last I read
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Hillary should be indited? Among many other aspects of her past and her husbands there
is no shortage...so what is your point?
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)It appears they have already done all the damage they are capable if doing to her. Bernie is a great man, but he is not Superman as much as you might want to believe that he is. The slime won't just bound off his cape.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)4dsc
(5,787 posts)only the imbeciles on the right fall for this tactic.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)Diffidence is no way to win elections.
Joe Chi Minh (with psychic endorsement of El Che)
Vinca
(50,273 posts)I never thought I'd see red baiting on this site. What's your next disgusting attack. His Jewish heritage?
vkkv
(3,384 posts)RNC is going to do is over the top.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)one, it's best just to scrape the malodorous mass off your shoe and move on. You are not likely to establish a meaningful dialogue with a turd.
I'm scraping this off as fast as I can Bill...
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Thank you for such a spot on post.
Expect the faithful to make efforts to minimize what you say.
Of course they know it all, as usual.
Anybody who parrots anti -Clinton lines is a product of the Republican spin machine. Older voters know it' s crap. But R's are expert at demonization and disinformation.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)HRC CANNOT be trusted. Her judgement is FLAWED. She favors corporations over people. Hillary is a die-hard fascist.
See how easy is is to play 'Republican'?
A turd is a troll, right Bill USA?
vkkv
(3,384 posts)You know, in virtually all of the general election match-up polls between Trump and Secretary Clinton and Trump and Bernie Sanders, in almost all of those polls, I do better than Secretary Clinton, Sanders said in a debate Thursday night, crediting his appeal across party lines.
And, as Sanders noted, polls of the general election tend to show him racking up larger leads against his Republican rivals than Clinton would.
Many of us ALREADY knew this!
See the polls::::
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-most-popular-candidate_us_5711562de4b06f35cb6fad0a
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)What is your point
denbot
(9,899 posts)That shit is aimed at the idiots exchanging Keyan Birth Certificates, and Jade Helm battle plans over the Internet.
Interesting you also bought into it..