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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:41 PM Apr 2016

"Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton Connections" - A MUST READ!

Last edited Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary Clinton recently blasted the hidden financial dealings exposed in the Panama Papers, but she and her husband have multiple connections with people who have used the besieged law firm Mossack Fonseca to establish offshore entities. Among them are Gabrielle Fialkoff, finance director for Hillary Clinton’s first campaign for the U.S. Senate; Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who has traveled the globe with Bill Clinton; the Chagoury family, which pledged $1 billion in projects to the Clinton Global Initiative; and Chinese billionaire Ng Lap Seng, who was at the center of a Democratic fund-raising scandal when Bill Clinton was president. <snip>

Another connection is Giustra, the director of UrAsia Energy Ltd, a British Virgin Islands offshore company registered in May 2005. The company wanted to “conduct uranium exploration, development, production and marketing operations and related activities in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan,” according to a draft of the shareholders’ agreement. UrAsia, based in British Columbia, Canada, finalized a deal in September 2005 to buy uranium mines for $500 million in Kazakhstan, according to published reports. The deal came after Giustra joined Bill Clinton in Kazakhstan for the launch of a Clinton Foundation health initiative and dined with him and Kazakhstan’s president, among others. The timing prompted questions about whether Bill Clinton played any role in the agreement. Giustra denied that, saying it came after months of negotiations.

The following year, Giustra, who is also involved in filmmaking and founded Lionsgate Entertainment, made a donation of more than $30 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to published reports.


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article72215012.html

This is investigative journalism & news, but was locked.

McClatchy Newspapers and about 350 other journalists working under the umbrella of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists have searched an archive containing more than 11.5 million Mossack Fonseca documents, including passports, financial records and emails. After a series of articles earlier this month revealed how business owners and politicians used offshores, authorities raided the law firm’s offices in Panama.




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"Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton Connections" - A MUST READ! (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 OP
original thread tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #1
It was today's paper. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #2
that is news barbtries Apr 2016 #3
Can't have that getting lots of reccs, appearing on the home page, and angering certain employers. arcane1 Apr 2016 #4
Must. Not. Allow. Truth. Scuba Apr 2016 #5
It's not the date of the paper that matters. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #6
No, it wasn't opinion or analysis. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #7
Depends on how you define "analysis". It was based on an "analysis" of the FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #15
Therefore, any mention of the contents of the papers is, by definition, not "news". arcane1 Apr 2016 #18
Like I said, you gotta understand the Clintax. FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #19
Indeed! arcane1 Apr 2016 #31
Apparently a Clinton connection to Panama papers is too inconvenient. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #25
Please see... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #22
here's the background of the story tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #8
Yep. And the story has only gone public in the past few days. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #17
"past few days" doesn't count. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #21
It was this mornings paper,... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #23
That was specifically a response to your post #17. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #28
Time stamp on this story: APRIL 16, 2016 1:20 PM Omaha Steve Apr 2016 #24
And the Clinton connections were a breaking development in the story. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #26
I know that. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #29
Reporting in a major daily newspaper isn't news? dooner Apr 2016 #11
I think the hosts of LBN are a bit inconsistent on what qualifies as "news" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #20
The hosts have a very hard job to do, and do it well Omaha Steve Apr 2016 #30
I wish I could wholeheartedly agree. mpcamb Apr 2016 #35
Surprised by all of this?? vkkv Apr 2016 #9
Thank you for reposting and fat chance with the 'rigged' hosts Purveyor Apr 2016 #10
I appealed and sent Guardian info-link to the story behind the investigation tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #12
The foundation is like a regime in itself. Awful, and she wants to be president? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #13
K&R for Exposure... KoKo Apr 2016 #14
Clinton Foundation "health initiative", i.e., keep those miners healthy! Divernan Apr 2016 #16
LOCKED?? grasswire Apr 2016 #27
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #32
will wait to see if there is a reply about the appeal tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #33
K&R AND Bookmarked rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #34
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. It was today's paper.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

IDK how more late-breaking it could be. I assume it was locked by a thin-skinned Hillarian.... there's quite the double standard here inre moderation.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. Can't have that getting lots of reccs, appearing on the home page, and angering certain employers.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Nope! Can't have that!

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
6. It's not the date of the paper that matters.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:00 PM
Apr 2016

It's whether it is news.

Here's the message about the lock:

This is article is analysis, not latest breaking news. Please feel free to repost this in GD P.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
15. Depends on how you define "analysis". It was based on an "analysis" of the
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

Panama Papers. Ergo, based on analysis. You just have to know the Clintax of the word. You're welcome.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
18. Therefore, any mention of the contents of the papers is, by definition, not "news".
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

That's convenient.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. Apparently a Clinton connection to Panama papers is too inconvenient.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

Even though it is s breaking development to a current story.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
8. here's the background of the story
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/16/panama-papers-inside-the-guardians-investigation-into-offshore-secrets

For six months, a team of Guardian journalists worked in tight secrecy on the biggest leak in history. This is the inside story of how the Panama Papers unfolded

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
28. That was specifically a response to your post #17.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

The rest I addressed in my post #20. Not saying I agree with the decision there, just explainnig why I think it went the way it did.

dooner

(1,217 posts)
11. Reporting in a major daily newspaper isn't news?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

This is NOT an opinion piece. So.. any in-depth NEWS story = analysis?

Wow... no wonder there's so little worth reading on DU these days.

I'm shocked by all this.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
20. I think the hosts of LBN are a bit inconsistent on what qualifies as "news"
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

Clearly, an "event" that just happened is news. Other than that, it can be hard to predict how they will see it. The event of the initial release of the Panama Papers was news. Figuring out all of was really revealed in them, which is a more gradual process, I guess is a judgment call in how you categorize it, as news vs. analysis, and opinions about that might differ, story by story. But right now, they seem very sensitive when it comes to things that refer to either Clinton or Sanders, because they worry that people are trying to skirt around the fact that things posted in GD are not front-page promoted. So maybe that's leading some of them to be a bit more heavy-handed.

Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
30. The hosts have a very hard job to do, and do it well
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

I've been there and done that. I know how the system works.

Let us not complain as that is a DU violation.

OS

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
35. I wish I could wholeheartedly agree.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

There's some ax-grinding, some barely concealed hidden agendas at work and some plain old pimping for a particular candidate.
I always liked the scrappy give and take; always detested articles getting high-jacked in some ego-wrought cagematch. But the pseudo-sensitivity, the asking for a lock or jury review and the widening version of what's analysis rather than news has taken a lot away from this forum.

Steve, I liked your statement after a Clinton win about among other thing lowering the level of spite and all, but I think the nomination is still very much in play. Cheap tricks frustrate and anger and are then source of a lot of divisiveness. I don't have an answer for any of it. But whatever the outcome some will bitterly sit out the general election rather than work for the other candidate.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
12. I appealed and sent Guardian info-link to the story behind the investigation
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

I'll wait to see if this is truly a Democratic Underground or if it is something other than that

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
16. Clinton Foundation "health initiative", i.e., keep those miners healthy!
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016
UrAsia, based in British Columbia, Canada, finalized a deal in September 2005 to buy uranium mines for $500 million in Kazakhstan, according to published reports. The deal came after Giustra joined Bill Clinton in Kazakhstan for the launch of a Clinton Foundation health initiative and dined with him and Kazakhstan’s president, among others. The timing prompted questions about whether Bill Clinton played any role in the agreement. Giustra denied that, saying it came after months of negotiations.

The Clinton Foundation gives good value for the corporate money. It "facilitates" luxury hotels for visiting corporate overlords, infrastructure (harbors, paved roads, electrical & water lines to labor locations/industrial parks. Part of the full service, and such a super photo op for visiting Bill & Chelsea, are the schools & medical clinics. All those cute little dark-skinned girls in their school uniforms, and the nurses innoculating the locals. See the thing is, it's not enough to tempt corporate investors with rock bottom wages ($3.50 a day in Clinton's Haiti projects). The corporate overlords need workers healthy enough to show up regularly and put in a HARD day's work. And workers need to be able to read and do some basic math. One hand washes the other in the Klinton Universe.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
33. will wait to see if there is a reply about the appeal
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm assuming they would send a courtesy note

*update* just heard back and they are leaving it locked, so will leave this thread as-is and thank you mods for verifying things.

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