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pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:56 PM May 2016

The Superdelegate System Isn't Just Rigged—It's Designed to Destroy the Will of the People By Donova

The saying “one person, one vote” has long been inapplicable in America. Lobbyists and corporations with bottomless pockets and empty consciences whisper with their forked tongues into the ears of seemingly every American politician, while their crooked fingers stuff the wallets of Congressperson, Representative, Mayor, and President alike. It’s become sadly ubiquitous in the modern era, and something that’s expected—our government is dishonest.

What has not been clear to most of the general public until the 2016 presidential race is how quickly the so-called superdelegates—719 high-ranking members of the Democratic Party who are automatic delegates to the Democratic National Convention—can nullify an entire region’s (or state’s) voice by simply picking whomever they (or their corporate overlords) prefer, regardless of public sentiment. This has already occurred in Minnesota, Maine, Colorado, Wyoming, New Hampshire and Washington in 2016, to say nothing of this weekend’s shady dealings in Las Vegas. You and your vote are being sold down the river, and if it didn’t affect your candidate this time around—how can you ever be sure it won’t next election cycle?

Consider Wyoming’s contest where Bernie Sanders won the state by a wide 12% margin. Sander’s reward for the victory? Losing the state delegate count 11-7, due to super-delegates. Tens of thousands of tax-paying citizens having their most basic American rights completely discounted by a select few in a matter of moments. The will of the people—utterly and completely ignored.


https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/the-superdelegate-system-isnt-just-riggedits-desig.html

The damage with super delegates was done at the very beginning of the campaign.
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The Superdelegate System Isn't Just Rigged—It's Designed to Destroy the Will of the People By Donova (Original Post) pmorlan1 May 2016 OP
Sanders should have joined party long ago and worked against it. Instead Hoyt May 2016 #1
Yep shenmue May 2016 #2
I guess that depends on the definition of "good Democrats." truebluegreen May 2016 #6
Yup because he's lazy. Gman May 2016 #10
I remember the elections of 1964, 1968 and 1972. Tal Vez May 2016 #3
You left out the part pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
Thank you That was one of the points that I was trying to make. Tal Vez May 2016 #24
I get all my political advice from someone who has been a democrat for 1/74th of his life lol nt msongs May 2016 #4
ha~ sheshe2 May 2016 #7
The will of the people in Nevada was that Clinton should be their nominee. TwilightZone May 2016 #8
So why didn't Sanders make people want to change the superdelegates system over 40 years ago Gman May 2016 #9
Bernie’s accomplishments zalinda May 2016 #11
I said Significant accomplishments Gman May 2016 #12
And Hillary did what? zalinda May 2016 #13
Thank you pmorlan1 May 2016 #17
And calling Bernie lazy? I guess it's a new meme they are trying out. zalinda May 2016 #18
Fighting for the people pmorlan1 May 2016 #20
The Supers pledged WAY too early. If they hadn't they could go with the current and rising silvershadow May 2016 #14
Super delegates are not pledged... angstlessk May 2016 #15
Newly Elected President Obama setup a Commission to end superdelgates Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #16
Superdelegates love their power, and the money for their votes. eom zalinda May 2016 #19
Sponging off the people pmorlan1 May 2016 #21
People who are okay with stealing democracy, 20score May 2016 #22
I actually think the problem in part is primary elections vs caucuses. mwooldri May 2016 #23
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Sanders should have joined party long ago and worked against it. Instead
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

he ran against good Democrats and criticized them, except when he needed them.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
3. I remember the elections of 1964, 1968 and 1972.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

I remember 1968. Senator Kennedy was assassinated and the nomination was contested by Gene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey. McCarthy had participated in the primaries with some success. Vice President Humphrey did not participate in the primaries and won the nomination largely because many of his delegates had not been selected by primary voters. McCarthy's supporters were very upset by these events and in 1972, there was a big effort to increase the number of states with primaries. More power to the people! That is why we have so many primary elections now. By winning primary elections, McGovern won the nomination. Many of the party's leaders were unhappy with McGovern's selection and were unhappy that they had been given such little influence in selecting the party's nominee. Nixon then absolutely crushed McGovern in November. Four years later, the party selected a more conservative and more successful Jimmy Carter.

The same thing had happened to the Republicans when grass roots conservatives nominated Goldwater over the objection of many party bigwigs. Four years later, the Republicans nominated the less ideological Tricky Dick Nixon, who won the general election described above.

Political leaders may seem like total hacks, but most of them are people who have experienced some electoral success. They have usually won something. Their advice should at least be considered. There should always be room for experienced voices at a national convention.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
5. You left out the part
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

about the establishment not backing McGovern in the General. I too was around back then. And 2016 is not 1972 but one thing is clear our party is blowing it again.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
24. Thank you That was one of the points that I was trying to make.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

That is why I wrote: "Many of the party's leaders were unhappy with McGovern's selection and were unhappy that they had been given such little influence in selecting the party's nominee. Nixon then absolutely crushed McGovern in November. Four years later, the party selected a more conservative and more successful Jimmy Carter."

It is very important to give a voice to party leaders and people who have been around for awhile. Winning in November may not be everything, but it's pretty important and people who have won elections in the past should have an influence in the selection of a presidential candidate.

The Sanders candidacy is an example. He has labeled himself a "socialist." When I was in school, socialism was defined as an economic system in which the government owns the major means of production. I don't hear Sanders calling for government ownership of banks, energy companies, airlines, railroads, major manufacturers, etc. I don't think that he really is a socialist as that term was traditionally defined. I have no idea why Sanders has labeled himself a socialist, but I do know that it would handicap him in a national general election for president. In this country, it's generally a mistake for a politician to gratuitously label himself a socialist when the definition doesn't really fit.

There are politicians who have been around for a few decades who know that a presidential candidate should avoid identifying himself/herself as a socialist, or as a communist, or as a Scientologist, or as an atheist. So, I am not surprised that Sanders has met some resistance from persons who are viewed as establishment figures. A lot of people do not think that a self-described socialist can be elected president - even if he really isn't a socialist.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
8. The will of the people in Nevada was that Clinton should be their nominee.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

Sanders' campaign didn't seem too concerned about the will of the people there.

As for the superdelegates, Sanders is asking them to override the will of the people, not follow it. The claim that he is not doing so is a little silly, since he's being completely open about it.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
9. So why didn't Sanders make people want to change the superdelegates system over 40 years ago
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

Rather than complain about it now when it's an inconvenience for him. Why? Because Sanders is just plain lazy. He'd rather demand than do the hard work and heavy lifting necessary for change. It's why he's never accomplished anything of significance. He's just lazy and won't do the hard work. Now he's deceived his supporters into thinking all you have to do is demand change from behind a keyboard and voilà, it happens.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
11. Bernie’s accomplishments
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
May 2016

Elected by the state of Vermont 8 times to serve in the House of Representatives.
The longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history.
He was dubbed the “amendment king” in the House of Representatives for passing more amendments than any other member of Congress.
Ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee.
Former student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).
Led the first ever civil rights sit-in in Chicago history to protest segregated housing.
In 1963, Bernie Sanders participated in MLK’s Civil Rights March. One of only 2 sitting US Senators to have heard MLK’s “I have a Dream Speech” in person in the march on Washington, DC.
Former professor of political science at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College.
Former mayor of Burlington, VT. In a stunning upset in 1981, Sanders won the mayoral race in Burlington, Vermont’s largest city. He shocked the city’s political establishment by defeating a six-term, local machine mayor. Burlington is now reported to be one of the most livable cities in the nation.
Co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus and chaired the group for its first 8 years.
Both the NAACP and the NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate. Earns a D- from the NRA.

1984: Mayor Sanders established the Burlington Community Land Trust, the first municipal housing land-trust in the country for affordable housing. The project becomes a model emulated throughout the world. It later wins an award from Jack Kemp-led HUD.

1991: one of a handful in Congress to vote against authorizing US military force in Iraq. “I have a real fear that the region is not going to be more peaceful or more stable after the war,” he said at the time.

1992: Congress passes Sanders’ first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. A Reader’s Digest article calls the law “the cancer weapon America needs most.” All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights.

November 1993: Sanders votes against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement. Returning from a tour of factories in Mexico, Sanders says: “If NAFTA passes, corporate profits will soar because it will be even easier than now for American companies to flee to Mexico and hire workers there for starvation wages.”

July 1996: Sanders is one of only 67 (out of 435, 15%) votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. Sanders urged the Supreme Court to throw out the law, which it did in a landmark 2013 ruling – some 17 years later.

July 1999: Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to personally take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These brave women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.

August 1999: An overflow crowd of Vermonters packs a St. Michael’s College town hall meeting hosted by Sanders to protest an IBM plan to cut older workers’ pensions by as much as 50 percent. CBS Evening News with Dan Rather and The New York Times cover the event. After IBM enacts the plan, Sanders works to reverse the cuts, passing a pair of amendments to prohibit the federal government from acting to overturn a federal district court decision that ruled that IBM’s plan violated pension age discrimination laws. Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees.

November 1999: About 10 years before the 2008 Wall Street crash spins the world economy into a massive recession, Sanders votes “no” on a bill to undo decades of financial regulations enacted after the Great Depression. “This legislation,” he predicts at the time, “will lead to fewer banks and financial service providers, increased charges and fees for individual consumers and small businesses, diminished credit for rural America and taxpayer exposure to potential losses should a financial conglomerate fail. It will lead to more mega-mergers, a small number of corporations dominating the financial service industry and further concentration of power in our country.” The House passed the bill 362-57 over Sanders’ objection.

October 2001: Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. “All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms,” Sanders says at the time. He subsequently votes against reauthorizing the law in 2006 and 2011.

October 2002: Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could “result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism.” Hillary Clinton votes in favor of it.

November 2006: Sanders defeats Vermont’s richest man, Rich Tarrant, to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Sanders, running as an Independent, is endorsed by the Vermont Democratic Party and supported by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

December 2007: Sanders’ authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. He later secures $3.2 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for the grant program.

September 2008: Thanks to Sanders’ efforts, funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program funding doubles, helping millions of low-income Americans heat their homes in winter.

February 2009: Sanders works with Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to pass an amendment to an economic recovery bill preventing Wall Street banks that take taxpayer bailouts from replacing laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.

December 2009: Sanders passes language in the Affordable Care Act to allow states to apply for waivers to implement pilot health care systems by 2017. The legislation allows states to adopt more comprehensive systems to cover more people at lower costs.

March 2010: President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans. Another $1.5 billion from a Sanders provision went to the National Health Service Corps for scholarships and loan repayment for doctors and nurses who practice in under-served communities.

July 2010: Sanders works with Republican Congressman Ron Paul in the House to pass a measure as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill to audit the Federal Reserve, revealing how the independent agency gave $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans to big banks and businesses after the 2008 economic collapse.

March 2013: Sanders, now chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, and backed by seniors, women, veterans, labor unions and disabled Americans, leads a successful effort to stop a “chained-CPI” proposal supported by Congressional Republicans and the Administration to cut Social Security and disabled veterans’ benefits.

April 2013: Sanders introduces legislation to break up major Wall Street banks so large that the collapse of one could send the overall economy into a downward spiral.

August 2014: A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sen. Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama. The measure includes $5 billion for the VA to hire more doctors and health professionals to meet growing demand for care.

January 2015: Sanders takes over as ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, using the platform to fight for his economic agenda for the American middle class.

January 2015: Sanders votes against the Keystone XL pipeline, which would allow multinational corporation TransCanada to transport dirty tar sands oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.

March 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) introduced legislation to expand benefits and strengthen the retirement program for generations to come. The Social Security Expansion Act was filed on the same day Sanders and other senators received the petitions signed by 2 million Americans, gathered by the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare.

September 2015: Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) today introduced bills to ban private prisons, reinstate the federal parole system and eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention.

January 2016: Sanders Places Hold on FDA Nominee Dr. Robert Califf because of his close ties to the pharmaceutical industry and lack of commitment to lowering drug prices. There is no reason to believe that he would make the FDA work for ordinary Americans, rather than just the CEOs of pharmaceutical companies

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2016/03/04/a-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments/

I'd say pretty good for a lazy guy.

Z

Gman

(24,780 posts)
12. I said Significant accomplishments
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
May 2016

What has he accomplished that is significant and saved or changed lives for the better? Nothing.

BTW, no one with the old SNCC remembers him. Brings everything else into question such as marching with MLK. Why does no one remember?

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
13. And Hillary did what?
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:25 AM
May 2016

Every 'accomplishment' she achieved was because of someone else, mostly men.

She was first lady of Arkansas, thanks to Bill.

She was First Lady of the US, thanks to Bill.

She was Senator of New York thanks to Moynihan.

She was Secretary of State thanks to Obama.

She is winning the dem nomination because of DWS, and when Hillary was in trouble, she called in Bill. And, of course let's not forget our favorite fuckster, David Brock, the man who tried to bury Anita Hill.


BTW, there are pictures of Bernie at a SNCC meeting, and of him being arrested at a protest. I guess you missed them. Oh, and ask veterans if Bernie didn't do anything significant for them. He got them 5 billion dollars so they could get better health care. And he did a lot for poor people, but then Hillary supporters really don't care about them.

Z


pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
17. Thank you
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

for injecting facts into the discussion. Any Democrat worthy of the title would be proud to have a record like that.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
18. And calling Bernie lazy? I guess it's a new meme they are trying out.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

That has to be the biggest laugh of the day. Not only is he running for President, he is also holding down his Senate job. Clinton went MIA in the Senate when she ran against Obama.

Damn, I would love even 1/4 his energy.

Z

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
20. Fighting for the people
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

I would love to have his energy too. You can tell he is doing what he loves. I think that more than anything is what gives him his energy.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
14. The Supers pledged WAY too early. If they hadn't they could go with the current and rising
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:36 AM
May 2016

front runner. I actually don't believe much of anything about this primary. The coast to coast irregularities leave me more than doubtful. They leave me stunned and irritated. How dare they!

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
21. Sponging off the people
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

They are getting money from corporations and the taxpayers but it's only the corporations they represent because until this election the people didn't demand anything of them. The gravy train is over. The elected ones better realize that they either start representing us or they're gone. We will remove them one by one until we have people that actually represent OUR interests.

20score

(4,769 posts)
22. People who are okay with stealing democracy,
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

and especially those who defend any part of the many aspects involved - are terrible Democrats, dangerous and horrendous citizens and reprehensible human beings.

Every single one of them. They, like the propaganda gobblers of Fox News, make the country a worse place to live, every day.

Don't like those labels? Try to be better people. That works so much better than rationalizing your fascist thoughts and deeds; then raging at those pointing out the obvious.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
23. I actually think the problem in part is primary elections vs caucuses.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

If we want the concept of one person one vote then the delegates should not matter one bit. Yes, the party should have a delegation to convention, but the "roll call" be replaced with a read out of the statewide vote tally for each candidate... including those Democratic Party candidates you don't hear anything about. The system should also be uniform across all states and territories - I favor closed primaries but with clear rules on how to join the party in time to vote.

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