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Baobab

(4,667 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:16 PM May 2016

Bill Clinton's Embrace of WTO Seems in Retrospect To Have Changed Trend

of Dem Administrations being Better for the Economy than GOP ones.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-l-kearns/bill-clintons-trade-legac_b_8945180.html


"Hillary’s assertion about Democratic presidents is a calculated election year sound bite that ignores the consequences of her husband’s ruinous trade legacy. The simple truth is that Bill’s trade policies greatly handicapped the growth and job-creating ability of the U.S. economy by transferring a significant portion of our wealth generation to China and other trading partners and making 2 percent growth the ‘new normal.’"



And the changes due to the WTO are only just beginning...

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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
1. Should we infer from your OP...
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

...that you believe Republican administrations are better for the economy than Democratic ones?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
4. No, they certainly have not been historically, Dems have been far better - However -
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

some of the decisions made by the Clinton Administration were such disasters that they literally changed everything. I didn't realize this until a few years ago and the more I learn, the more ive come to see the Clinton Administration as having been a really bad one for all of us.

Some of those things are not well known. They should be, though.

An unusual number of huge, world changing problems arose out of the 1994-95 WTO GATS agreement, the General Agreement on Trade in Services.

The 1995 GATS agreement has been a disaster for American families.

Do you want to know about all this? I suspect you likely already do know at least some of it.

Healthcare is the area that I personally feel the strongest about. Financial policy is a big one too.

there is a lot.

*sigh*

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
6. So your opinion is...
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:52 AM
May 2016

...that Democratic administrations used to be better for the economy than Republican ones, until Clinton came along and now Democrats are worse than Republicans.

Is that correct?

Because you posted an OP arguing that Clinton "Changed (the) Trend of Dem Administrations being Better for the Economy than GOP ones." The obvious implication here -- if Bill Clinton indeed "changed the trend" -- is that Democrats are now worse for the economy than Republican ones.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
7. Repeal of Glass-Steagall and very bad healthcare choices were/are both caused by GATS
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

If your question is, do I want to see the Democratic leadership become more costly for the American public than Republicans, certainly not. If the question is, was the Clinton Administration more costly to Americans (now looking back with what we know today) I would have to say yes, with the additional warning that its just begun, that decisions made in the 1990s still have lots and lots of destructive potential that is still unrealized. This is all because of GATS.

GATS is globally forcing public services to be privatized if any of a myriad number of things change.

Basically, the combination of clauses that do that are called standstill, ratchet and rollback. For example, they could cause the loss of the ACA's good parts as soon as Hillary globalizes health care the WTO gains final jurisdiction over domestic regulation in that service sector. (Thats what Elizabeth Warren was arguing with Obama about, could WTO order us to change US laws, the answer is clearly and unambiguously yes. One scary possibility involves the use of L-1 "non-immigrant" visas to allow corporations to staff their US operations with foreign workers being paid their at home wage. That seems to be part of the GATS and new agreements and I have not been able to find any mention of wages to date. (can you? Look at http://www.wikileaks.org/tisa under movement of natural persons)

There is no limit to the power of human beings to rationalize greed. They can and will.

Once a service sector become international than expect the WTO to be brought in to change our economy to conform with their idea of what is right. They will likely eliminate minimum wages because that's neoliberal ideology and "subsidies" as they are framed are not allowed to developed countries, only poor ones.

They are also in the case of healt insurance compelled by the wording of the agreement to rule to "roll back" the rules to their original state (1998, I think, see video below) if requested to do so by an injured party. Rules in a country that effect a covered sector must be consistent with the goals of the GATS. They must not deny other WTO members the benefits of the GATS. Everything else, like the public's needs, is explicitly limited by the agreement's goals and countries are not allowed to legislate laws that are inconsistent with the deals.

they are designed to compel radical change irregardless of local laws or public opinion.

The top thing is profitability of foreign investors. Nothing can impede the rights of foreign financial firms to exploit our insurance market in he most profitable manner. Rules requiring that profits be limited or that insurers cover unprofitable groups are clearly new regulations and are not liberalisation (because they are unprofitable) so the njured party, any foreign firm that challenges it will win.

Any foreign insurance provider is guaranteed to want to rollback the rules to the standstill date in January 1998. The "standstill" in GATS is supposed to represent a high water mark for regulation and all subsequent changes to services covered under the GATS are compelled to be deregulation, not additional regulation.

TiSA is supposed to become part of GATS in the future. So the dates used in TiSA appear to be GATS dates if applicable.

....

A similar situation is likely to exist with financial regulation of all kinds. Especially the critical areas of regulation of "too big to fail" banks will be prevented from effectively being regulated by GATS and its progeny, TiSA.

That's what happened with Glass-Steagall. Glass-Steagall was repealed because of GATS.

This video is mostly about TiSA but there is a bit about GATS interactions.

if you want to know more about TiSA< look for videos by Sanya Reid Smith on YouTube. And read the documents themselves.

Also, this is useful if you understand its wording:
http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-6891-2013-ADD-1-DCL-1/en/pdf (EU negotiating document)

Video:



Some other links.. This following document is interesting.

http://www.maine.gov/legis/opla/ctpchlthcaresub.pdf (shows why and how TiSA negotiations were started in 2006 in the context of health care)

The problem it describes has not gone away!

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
8. Only if they are neoliberals. (Like the Clintons and Obama) Because of GATS/TiSASee the video below.
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Hillary is definitely a neoliberal and very powerful people want to see the worst deregulatory mistakes of the 1990s repeated.

Its a mistake. People have to draw the line and say, NO WAY SHOULD YOU DO THAT.

Otherwise its going to be such a huge financial disaster .

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
3. Uh, China was not admitted into the WTO until Bush became president. Bush pushed for it.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:35 PM
May 2016

It only happened then because the world still held sympathy towards the US after the 9/11 attacks. In fact, it was three months to the day after those attacks. Oh, and Huffpost is owned by NewsCorp.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
5. WTO GATS
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:15 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 28, 2016, 06:54 PM - Edit history (2)

They repealed Glass-Stagall for GATS, and GATS is also the reason our health care cannot ever get fixed.

The same thing has happened to a bunch of other countries too.

A good example is South Africa. Their NHI - national health insurance which they voted for in 2006, still has not been implemented, the reason is GATS's rigid requirements..

If they did not have GATS they could have single payer.

Same with us.

The situation with Slovakia involves a BIT, not GATS. Still, it is quite informative.

http://www.italaw.com/cases/417
Achmea B.V. v. The Slovak Republic, UNCITRAL, PCA Case No. 2008-13 (formerly Eureko B.V. v. The Slovak Republic). Case type: International Investment ...

http://www.italaw.com/cases/2564
Achmea B.V. v. The Slovak Republic, UNCITRAL, PCA Case No. 2013-12 (Number 2). Case type: International Investment Agreement. Applicable arbitration ...

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