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ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 09:49 AM Oct 2016

The best analysis of last night's debate I've seen!

"...Donald Trump Showcases His Dark Soul"
(Sorry if someone else posted it.)

David Corn: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-second-debate-st-louis

It was appropriate—big league!—that the second presidential debate essentially began with the video that captured Donald Trump, the GOP nominee, bragging about committing sexual assault. Not just because this was the yuge story of the week. Finally, the 2016 So You Want To Be President reality show has zeroed in on the paramount issue of this election cycle: Trump's soul.

Most election years, candidates and pundits nobly assert that policy issues are the important stuff. Taxes, the economy, national security, health care, climate change, education, social welfare programs, reproductive rights, immigration, trade—that's what the contenders are supposed to debate, at least when they face off directly. And, certainly, presidential contests are also driven (perhaps largely) by questions related to the personality and experience of the candidates. And much of this did come up during Sunday night's debate. Trump and Hillary Clinton sparred over Syria, Obamacare, taxes, and energy policy and tussled over whose past best prepares them to be president. But one matter loomed larger than all of that: what's inside Trump?

Throughout the 100-minute-long face-off, Trump did not change his style. He was combative, angry, and mean, as he stalked about the stage during the town hall-style event. He said that were he to win the White House, he would prosecute Clinton and promised to toss her in jail. This was throwing a blood-dripping bone to his "lock her up" base. Were this anything like a normal election, this Trump vow—which undermines democratic rule—would be the screaming headline out of the debate. This year, it's just another thing Trump said. He also declared of Clinton, "She has tremendous hate in her heart." As if threatening to imprison your political opponent is not a thuggish act of demagoguery and hatred.

As for the video, Trump repeated his weak spin that it was just "locker-room talk." (So was he lying to Billy Bush about having actually groped and kissed women without their consent?) There was no contrition. And Trump quickly pivoted to assail Bill Clinton, noting that the Trump campaign had invited to the debate several women who had accused the former president of sexual assault or harassment. Yes, the fellow who claimed that it was time to put the video to the side and move on was arguing that an important matter these days is Bill Clinton's behavior two and three decades ago. Kellyanne Conway and David Bossie, two top Trump campaign aides, are veterans of the right-wing get-Clinton cabal of the 1990s. But they may have forgotten that the Clintons did manage to win the Clinton wars. Ultimately, this creepy move was born of frustration. Much of the Republican Party had finally dumped Trump, and, as one former Trump adviser told me, Trump and his inner circle believed he had only one play: go nuclear. It was a crude step, debasing this campaign further, but one in sync with Trump's pettiness and malice.


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The best analysis of last night's debate I've seen! (Original Post) ginnyinWI Oct 2016 OP
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2016 #1
I saw Trump as vlyons Oct 2016 #2
I think she deliberately stood back a bit, ginnyinWI Oct 2016 #4
Neither of the moderators relayerbob Oct 2016 #11
I agree - I think she let him make a fool of himself NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #12
Right. She has been a foreign correspondent for years question everything Oct 2016 #17
I agreed awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #21
Putin's mafia boss & Co. will want their money back... Amonester Oct 2016 #13
yes, I agree. It was a brutal, ugly spectacle-- ALL because of the Trump monster Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #14
The best part was that Hillary didn't open the door for hime, he had to drop it cold and make.... marble falls Oct 2016 #3
David Corn is the bomb! longship Oct 2016 #5
Very very good underpants Oct 2016 #6
Trump's soul. Granny M Oct 2016 #7
In order to get more votes the head of the Republican party threatened to imprison elmac Oct 2016 #8
That last line.... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #9
He went nuclear and it failed, badly relayerbob Oct 2016 #10
Well said. nt lillypaddle Oct 2016 #16
Yeah he's got nothing to lose. ginnyinWI Oct 2016 #18
K&R nt lillypaddle Oct 2016 #15
KnR Hekate Oct 2016 #19
Excellent commentary by David Corn. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2016 #20
Trump's soul? Huh? Is that an oxymoron? LakeArenal Oct 2016 #22

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. I saw Trump as
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:14 AM
Oct 2016

a hateful, mean-spirited, vindictive man. It was very difficult for me to not change the channel. His over-the-top charge that HRC's heart is one of hatred made me wince. HRC, on the other hand, altho not as strong as in her last debate, was calm, measured, and likeable. Nothing in Trump's performance last night was likeable.

The last question of the night is so telling about where people are with this election. We are damn tired of all the slimey muck, mire, and mud slinging, and want to hear something positive and pleasant. Trump has dragged this country down into the political sewer. He will go down in history as the WORST EVER candidate. More denigrated than Richard Nixon. Trump's name will live in infamy. His karma will be the fruit of great suffering, because who would ever want to do business with him again?

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
4. I think she deliberately stood back a bit,
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:27 AM
Oct 2016

and let him just show himself, unedited, to the viewers. She doesn't talk down to us and assumes we can see with our own eyes. But the best thing was just to let him go on and on and on with his crazy-talk.

Seems like Martha R. was the better of the two moderators, not afraid of the jerk at all.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
11. Neither of the moderators
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
Oct 2016

backed off though. I agree, Martha was a little better, literally laughing at him at times, but they both took him to task. Good for both of them

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. I agree - I think she let him make a fool of himself
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
Oct 2016

he does it so well - he knows nothing about Russia, he doesn't know how a bill becomes a law, he wants to toss Clinton in jail, he doesn't speak with his VP and disagrees with him on Russia, etc.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
17. Right. She has been a foreign correspondent for years
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:48 PM
Oct 2016

and would not let him walk away from a direct question. While he knew what "Aleppo" is, he had no idea how to handle the Syrian crisis or the refugees.


Amonester

(11,541 posts)
13. Putin's mafia boss & Co. will want their money back...
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:27 PM
Oct 2016

from Don Caligulawannabe dRumpf & family

Maybe the Chinese too...

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
14. yes, I agree. It was a brutal, ugly spectacle-- ALL because of the Trump monster
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:34 PM
Oct 2016

I hope ALL his businesses go under for good.

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
3. The best part was that Hillary didn't open the door for hime, he had to drop it cold and make....
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:15 AM
Oct 2016

his dismal crap look even more desperate and foul.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
7. Trump's soul.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 11:44 AM
Oct 2016

That black hole that threatens to suck the country, and then the world into it. The Republican Party has already fallen in.


 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
8. In order to get more votes the head of the Republican party threatened to imprison
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 11:49 AM
Oct 2016

a former Secretary of State and someone running for president. This sets a precedent, now president Clinton can go after Bush, Cheney, ect... for crimes against humanity and Trump for hate crimes against women.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
9. That last line....
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:07 PM
Oct 2016
What will party leaders do now that it is clear the dark soul of Donald Trump reflects the desires and fears of their own people?


Repubs have been aiming at this for many, many years. It is no surprise to anybody not in denial that this endgame was inevitable since Reagan first announced his presidential run in Mississippi as a dog whistle to the Southern Strategy. Their base has shrunk to the worst people in the country: mysongynists, racists, isolationists, religious fanatics, etc.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
10. He went nuclear and it failed, badly
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
Oct 2016

Trump unloaded all of his heavy artillery against Hillary last night and it bounced right off and/or stuck to him. She ignored the Bill Clinton stuff entirely and it's been either forgotten by today or is just used as another example of how classless he is. And the lock her up shit, while it will play to his base, is freaking people out and backfiring badly. He now has no more weapons, his ship is fire and listing, the rats are jumping on lifeboats. She didn't unload her main guns on him, to keep the ship afloat long enough that she can blast the hell out of him in the next debate and take out a big chunk of the GOP fleet. The next four weeks are going to get very ugly. I expect we'll hear language that will even make sailors blush

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
18. Yeah he's got nothing to lose.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:55 PM
Oct 2016

He might as well play to his precious base. Maybe his main mistake was thinking we all wanted another Putin to be dictator of the USA. He's been in a bubble filled with his own adoring fans. What a shock to think that we don't all just love him!

Hillary does need him to stay in until November, and lose fair and square.

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