Some of what Trump supporters are reading today.

[Hortensis]

Infowars
BREAKING: OBAMA FEDERALIZES ELECTIONS, Move Key to Overturn Trump Election: Inauguration Only 13 Days Out

BREAKING: FEDS ANNOUNCE TAKEOVER OF US ELECTORAL PROCESS

FBI EXPOSES CLINTON PEDOPHILE SATANIC NETWORK, The downfall of the Clintons is finally here

OBAMA DENIES THE MURDER WAVE ON HIS WATCH

(Intelligence chiefs report on Trump-Russia: Nothing seen on site.)

Breitbart
Obama Denies the Murder Wave on his Watch, ‘There is No Growing Crime Wave

Trump: Intelligence Briefing Shows ‘Absolutely No Effect’ of Cyber Attacks on Election Results

NAACP SLAMS SESSIONS FOR PROSECUTING VOTER FRAUD

President Obama Awards Himself Distinguished Public Service Medal

OBAMA DENIES THE MURDER WAVE ON HIS WATCH

Daily Caller
'Written Very Quickly,' NYT Ignores Key Line From Intel Report In Rush To Make Trump Look Bad

Experts Call Declassified Russia Report 'Disappointing,' Intelligence report is light on evidence

A Big Media Interest Never Appears In DNI Report On Election Interference. Sorry, liberal journalists

Coal Country Dem Says Trump's EPA Pick Is The Right Guy For The Job

Fox
DNC TO BLAME FOR HACKING? Trump criticizes committee's 'gross negligence' in tweet

THE REAL DEAL: No docs related to DNC, Podesta hack were forged

Intelligence community 'needs to have some changes made,' says Woolsey

Climate field 'craziness' too much for climatologist, Former Georgia Tech professor tells Tucker why she has developed a 'growing disenchantment with universities, the academic field of climate science and scientists'

[heaven05]

1. upcoming Trumpistan led

by our new fuhrer has caused an epiphany of sorts in me...we are now the largest, most dangerous banana republic on the face of the earth and for the first time in history a known sexist, Racist-in-Chief trumpfuhrer, along with a known white supremacist in his inner circle who is constantly pouring honeyed racist words into his ear while he, the trumpfuhrer, is tweeting insanity at 3 am....while they, the trumpfuhrer......and steve bannon-Peter Sellers, are watching Dr. Strangelove.....and steve bannon-Peter Sellers saying push it!!!push it!!!!!!!!!!!!!mind boggling how many racist there truly are in this land of the free, home of the brave

[underpants]

2. The truth hurts, so let's make some sht up. Great post

If you had to copy and paste all the headlines thanks for your work.

I watch and listen to their media too. It's amazing how they combine just flat out making stuff up while also telling their followers YOU ARE BEING LIED TO! It's an abusive relationship.

I saw a FB post about President Obama awarding himself a medal and didn't look it up. I knew it was BS, this confirms it.

[Squinch]

3. This is actually a REALLY valuable list. Thank you. We can't argue against them if we don't

know what crap they are being fed.

This would be a really great feature on some regular basis. I'd hate to read the sources myself, but I am interested in knowing what they are pushing.

[Hortensis]

17. Maybe I'll do a once-a-week, perhaps picking up trends

in the sort of disinformation being pushed. If it's okay with the forum moderator, or on another. I wasn't entirely sure it belonged here, since I wasn't posting or linking to articles (now, THAT seems inappropriate!).

The craziest, Alex Jones's Infowars, has a very helpful "Most Popular" list for its readers/listeners (if we an believe it, of course). Wish they all did. I might reverse the order so that Infowars is at the bottom, though, given the hair-tearing he obviously inspires.

As said, we need to know what our neighbors on the right are and are not exposed to as a first step to finding ways to communicate better and even build us some bridges to common ground. The campaigns for 2018 have already begun.

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. I would be interested in a regular summary like this. Thanks!

[Wheezy]

28. Really helpful

This is one of the most informative posts I've read here in quite some time. I think it's important to know this stuff. Thank you--I'd love to see this become a weekly thing if mods give the okay.

[nolabear]

34. I'd absolutely like be a weekly summary! You'd be doing a service.

I often wonder what their world is saying and how a few cracks might be put in their world. It's also really interesting to see how things are spun on both sides. (I'm not attacking the liberal side; just aware that language is an amazing thing.)

[Aimee in OKC]

38. A fairly good extra resource --

Green Eagle at largegreenbird.blogspot.com generally has a Wingnut Wrap-up on Thursdays.

[BREMPRO]

47. Agree totally. Thanks. Have to find some way to reach them

And counteract this tabloid propaganda and it is very helpful to get out of the DU bubble to see what our conservative citizens are being fed.

[Squinch]

53. I think it's so valuable. I had no idea how pervasive this crap was, and how stupid the people

are who we are up against. If we know what they are saying, we can debunk it.

[druidity33]

58. Also interested... K&R, nt.

[uponit7771]

86. +1

[JudyM]

93. Another +1. Eye opening.

[Missn-Hitch]

4. And what shall be done about this atrocious level of credulity?

Sure - I will vote straight ticket D. I will donate to the D's what I can afford. I have enough of these people in my family. My tolerance will be consumed when I have to engage with them.

2+2=5

May I suggest ownership of at least one gun and store it safely. Just in case.

Listen to music, read books, go for a hike, take a steam, eat and drink well. Be sure to unplug occasionally.

Just my two cents.

[brer cat]

5. Makes me weep for our country.

I have tried debunking some of the crap the right wingers believe and it is like trying to move Stone Mountain. They are totally convinced that these are the "facts" and we are the liars.

[tenorly]

33. It's hopeless.

The right-wing press does the very same thing in other countries, and have in fact succeeded in tipping elections in favor of otherwise unelectable neo-fascist candidates (Trump, Rajoy's reelection in Spain, and Macri's election in Argentina - all by very narrow margins - are but three recent examples).

So besides being well-funded by corporate interests, why do these media campaigns stick? Because many voters want to believe it. They want to believe that the candidate promising to rid them of "undesirables" is right and true, and those getting int eh way of such ethnic cleansing are in turn contemptible.

[Hortensis]

48. Yes, many DO want to save their nations from evil

forces they have been told are taking them over, but things most of our conservatives DO NOT WANT, often are very opposed to, include:

Losing Social Security.
Losing Medicare and Medicaid.
Losing the benefits of the ACA (just repeal Obamacare!)
Losing the United States Postal Service
Losing the Clean Air and Clean Water acts.
Losing the VA.
Losing universal public-funded education.
Losing unemployment insurance.
Losing worker rights and benefits--the rest of them not already gone.
Corruption and money in government.
Rewriting our constitution to limit their power.
Failure to address climate change.
Uncontrolled, predatory financial industry.
Selling off protected lands.
Return to Jim Crow.
Murder by police.
Abuse against people of different sexual orientations.

THIS IS OUR STRENGTH. Support across the political spectrum for these and much else that makes America America but is endangered is enormous.

And this is why the extremist leaders they are currently following are almost certainly not going to keep winning. They felt sure Donald wouldn't do the bad things he said and would do the good ones he didn't promise. They completely failed to foresee the kind of people who were going to accompany their hero into power. And now that power depends almost entirely on their continued support of this horrifying agenda when implementation finally reveals just what they won behind curtain #3.

[Cosmocat]

62. Yep!

nm

[Cosmocat]

63. Yep!

nm

[WhiteTara]

6. That's a lot of spew.

It's hard to fight such exciting lies.

[Hortensis]

49. HERE'S a possible way past control of the string-pullers:

From 538:

According to Emily Thorson, a political scientist at Boston College, there is one area where people will change their minds when faced with the facts: policy, particularly when it isn’t perceived to be partisan.

The overlap between what we and the right want in terms of policies is enormous. The difference between what the string-pullers want and what most Trump voters want is also enormous.

[Fast Walker 52]

66. yes, better to stay away from these stupid stories and stick to policy

cuz the GOP's policies SUCK

[Hortensis]

69. :) Hit 'em through gut feelings instead: Who's going to

quit her job to stay home and babysit Grandma if Medicare is dismantled?

Will a neighbor's 5-year-old still be able to get lifesaving maintenance chemotherapy (until a cure is developed) if both the ACA and the Children's Health Insurance Program are dismantled? (And yes, I've read they want to go after CHIPS, big government program and all that.)

Researchers say that appealing to emotions, kicked puppies and all that, gets through far, far better than academic discussion. Bypasses the usual political partisan triggers.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

72. Yes, this. You have to tell a story.

The best results I've had are when I'm talking one-on-one. That means I have to have a friendly history with them.

Not many of those I know now, but when I have to work with one, that can be a good opportunity.

I once had an office mate who was evangelical. She was smart and funny, it always surprised me, but...whatevs.
She was once insisting that people WANT prayer in school...so, I was trying to explain how the "no prayer in school" law is meant to protect people (I had to keep it focused--don't say "separation of church and state". Takes them off the immediate topic.). I offered an example---suppose you lived in the hollows of W.Virginia, and it's real isolated and your kids are in school.

Suppose their teacher is a snake-handler Christian. Do you want that teacher putting her religion out there on your kids?

She "got" that. If only for a few moments...

[WhiteTara]

7. It's hard to keep up!

[DFW]

8. The scary part is not the amount of BS disseminated

The scary part is the huge number of otherwise rational people who take it seriously and believe it.

[Missn-Hitch]

9. Rational? That train left the station a while ago.

[DFW]

10. that's why I said "otherwise"

Even Rain Man could do math problems and memorize airplane statistics.

[Duppers]

41. Dear DFW, I've never met a rational republican.

Even the very rich who always just vote to lower their taxes glitch.

Then there's the average repub voter's other irrational beliefs.

Yet the OP is still shocking to this old naive gal.

[Hortensis]

50. They're rational in other facets of their lives...

Sure, some ding-dongs have marinated themselves in the Kool-Aid, but a lot of conservatives do not really believe most of the lies. They USE them as a unifying and enpowering force. Where this force is taking them is where they are truly deluded.

[Roland99]

11. It's the Weekly World News

[El Mimbreno]

12. Thanks for the compilation

If you had to wade through these sites to get this you have a stronger stomach than I do.

[CanonRay]

13. How can this possibly be fought?

They totally believe this shit, and think we are lying to them. I have trouble seeing a way out of this mess.

[lastlib]

14. You can't fix stoopid. All you can do is beat it with dimensional lumber.

When fully half the country will swallow absolute nonsense, whole, and truly believe that the bullshit they're being fed is really whipped cream, then we are going to have a long, hard road.

[INdemo]

15. Walk into any coffee shop in this small town I live in

in North Central Indiana and the place will be full of Republicans that actually believe this shit.

My answer to any Republican comment is usually "you voted for this fascist/Nazi out of revenge against a Black man that got us through the great depression of 2008?

[radical noodle]

21. Same in Florida

they believe this. They share on Facebook, some share on twitter, they all share through emails.

[salin]

27. It's funny, I am in the 'people's republic' town in Indiana

if those conversations happen, they are in hushed tones, or in particular churches on Sundays.

Yet travel 15 miles in any direction and I one probably lands in a similar coffee shop with similar conversations.

For anyone who follows that Infowars cray cray I would have to ask - wonder why none of what he reports ever actually happens? Obama hasn't confiscated all guns because of a false flag operation. There have been no mass lockups of people in FEMA camps and Jade Helms never threatened any civilians. Obama isn't moving to prevent the next president, nor are the elections becoming 'federalized'.

Still amazed that Obama carried this state in 2008.

[progressoid]

37. Yep. I heard the same and worse a couple months ago at a McDonalds in South Dakota.

Bunch of retired men spouting so much bullshit and lies. I felt sorry for the one man who was trying to tell them they were being lied to. They are a lost cause.

[HopeAgain]

16. Pressure Faux News Advertisers

I remember, years ago, when Faux News first came out, there was an effort to boycott anyone who advertised with the Faux News Network. Now we are seeing the real damage their propaganda is doing, could we start that anew?

[JDC]

18. This reads like tabloid covers

Thanks for this. This is what we need to understand about the trump voter as much, if not more than anything else. In B & W.

[LittleGirl]

19. I really do live in an information silo

Thanks for the headlines...I need to make an effort to read the crap that the dumpers are reading.

[radical noodle]

20. This stuff has been standard fare

(and not just about Clinton & Obama) for years. It must be challenged with truth... somehow.

[Sunlei]

22. Good OP, thanks. Republicans hard at work conning Americans /w *their* anti-government crap.

Those same tabloids spam peoples emails too, dozens of daily fake news/propaganda in every inbox.

[SujiwanKenobee]

23. Make this a regular daily post so that we are aware of the propaganda

My husband thinks that someone is going to eventually come down hard on fake news and it is going to be an extreme and overdone reaction rather than a measured response.

[Hortensis]

24. 538 has a good article on the fake news problem. I'll post it

in its own thread.

[wolfie001]

25. I thought we were supposed to treat these cretins with respect?

Isn't that what Mr. Famous Chef said? How and why can't we build a bridge with these unreasonable wack-jobs? They drink this Kool-Aid 24/7. And they all manage to take their zombie selves to the polls every cycle.

[yuiyoshida]

29. GOD DAMN this crazy Bubble they live in, its finally starving them of oxygen to the brain...

CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA, idiocracy is finally here.


I can see this one in the near future.

"Who need Edumacation? Department of Edumakation demands all Univercitys and Colages, be dismantled. Major ivey leege skools and col lages told to burn books and liberrys. Govment no need smarts peeps. Skool bad, Common cents gud!"

[Angry Dragon]

30. kick

[Thinkingabout]

31. As we can see the RW news sources will not give information from the security sources.

They would rather give information their listeners wants them to say rather than to tell the truth about Trump. I have been hearing for a few weeks from RW friends who say they have not heard anything about any hacking, I reminded them Trump has talked about the hacking before the election so at least Trump knew about the hacking. I know NBC has been talking about the hacking. It is easier for them to believe Hillary is in ailing health, to believe the pizzagate story when this is propaganda put forth by the propaganda machine from Russia. RT news is propaganda and then we hear repeats of the same stories. Now they want us to give Trump a break and stop talking about him, hell no, as long as he continues his lying and stupid tweets, I will attack him everyday.

[Blue Idaho]

32. I wonder if they will still believe this shit

When they are standing in the soup lines?

[Duppers]

35. HolyFuckingShit! They live in a desert devoid of truth.

In my naivety I had no idea it was this bad!

[LeftishBrit]

36. I was offered the Daily Caller by Facebook!

They said it was suitable for people who like Farage and Brexit. I have obviously discussed these phenomena, but NOT positively!

[Hortensis]

51. Wow. Hopefully, FB's shaming has stopped that.

[panader0]

39. U.S murder rate at 51 year low:

https://mises.org/blog/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

[TygrBright]

40. This is important. And helpful. Thank you.

Mind you, it really creeps me out, and the level of delusion, hate, and deception makes my gorge rise.

It's so much easier to deny the existence of the RW noise machine, and tell myself I have no idea where their delusions come from.

Knowing is more difficult, but also more useful.

Thank you.

Can we make this a regular feature?

I think it's going to be important to track the lies.

seriously,
Bright

[Duppers]

42. +100

[Hortensis]

52. Sure. I like the idea also. I looked this time because I was

wondering how they were covering the intelligence report, but in so doing I also noticed common themes they were all hitting. Of course, telling anxious conservatives violent crime rates are exploding wasn't a new propaganda theme even 40 years ago, but interesting to see it apparently never gets old.

[TygrBright]

56. Common themes, and (I suspect) patterns across time.

As they emerge, it may help.

You can't counter disinformation effectively if you don't fully grasp the disinformation itself.

appreciatively,
Bright

[dubyadiprecession]

43. You could end up in an argument with these people on what day of the week it is!

They are so delusional, one woman i know, expects Obama to declare marshal law and make himself dictator before January 20th. I kid you not.

[3catwoman3]

45. I wish he...

...could.

[3catwoman3]

44. So the Trump stand in who said...

..."There's no such thing, unfortunately anymore, as facts," wasn't just talking out of her ass. These creeps lie with such facility and impunity.

Even when I was a little kid, waiting in the groccery checkout line with my mother, I wondered, "Who believesthis stuff?" when seeing the ridiculous story lines about 2-headed alien babies, etc, etc, in rags like The National Enquirer.

There's certainly no such thing as critical thinking anymore. For a long time, I have not been sure whether I should feel scorn or pit for people who are so gullible.

Now, I feel something else - fear. Add in a heaping helping of loathing.

[BREMPRO]

46. THIS is the problem. Half the country is living in an alternative universe

where facts are just liberal intellectual conspiracies, and Trump, RW media outlets and social media spin and echo fictional self serving conspiracies into reality. More truthiness....

[mreilly]

54. This is what Breitbart stands for!

Bullshit Rigged Exclusively (for) Idiots Totally Biased Against Rational Thought.

[talking-liberally]

55. Comment on articles.

My suggestion would be to visit these sites, read some articles and post comments questioning either aspects of the article or the motivation for the article. Keep it simple and a little subtle so that it doesn't elicit a flame out. It won't convert the hard core but there might be some lightweights or newbies who are open to hearing your thoughts or questions. For example, on American Enterprise Institutes website, there was an article questioning climate change and offering a ridiculous explanation such as, since there is 98% agreement there must not be enough objectivity or since they got the election wrong maybe they got this wrong too. They had about 5 other stupid reasons. I wrote "Does AEI get funding from gas and oil companies?" There was only one flaming response to that a week later. Keep it simple. Question the motives. We have to keep chipping away at it. At a minimum you'll lose some weight from feeling nauseous after.

[Hortensis]

57. Lol. I seem to have a pretty strong stomach, bolstered

by awareness that, while most conservatives have developed a really scary degree of political bigotry toward liberals, only the hard-cores really believe the really cray-cray stuff. The rest enjoy and use it as a way of gaining power against us.

One of our big commonalities is apparently policy. They may vote for someone who promises to destroy government (mainly to defeat liberals), but, reassuringly sensibly, their real positions are quite different when it comes to actually losing the "big government interference" they like, and there's actually a bunch of that. They are still in danger of following duplicitous leaders over that cliff, of course.

[Fast Walker 52]

64. welcome to DU!

[Doitnow]

59. More Lie, Cheat and Steal

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

60. This crap used to be the provence of Weekly World News and other tabloids

that the great majority of Americans knew were total BS believed only by gullible, sensation-craving morons.

Those were the good ole days. Now, nearly half of our citizens are totally enthralled by this utter nonsense.

[BainsBane]

61. But the problem is Democratic messaging

So we're told, like they even know what Democrats or anyone sane says.

[Fast Walker 52]

65. fuck these fucking propagandists... they have warped the minds of a huge swath of the country

and this is how Trump got elected.

And he will likely destroy the USA in some major fashion.

[Fast Walker 52]

67. Check this out: Red vs Blue Facebook comparison-- a really excellent resource

http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/

[TomVilmer]

68. Almost all are clear and utter BS - except this...

Daily Caller: "NYT Ignores Key Line From Intel Report In Rush To Make Trump Look Bad". They are pointing at The New York Times: “Vladimir Putin 'ordered an influence campaign' aimed at helping Donald Trump win".

But much better sources are also skeptical about such alarming headlines yet, see Politifact: "The Washington Post reported Dec. 9 that the CIA concluded Russia meddled in the election with the intent to help Trump, rather than to disrupt the election generally. The New York Times produced a similar report. However, the Washington Post also reported that the FBI isn't as confident in this conclusion. These stories are all based on anonymous sources and cannot be independently verified."

[Fast Walker 52]

71. all have some basis in truth, but are wildly distorted or taken out of context

the standard tools of propagandists.

[Hortensis]

74. The FBI's credibility is severely compromised, Tom.

Its reputation and confidence in both its willingness and ability to perform its mission under Comey and the head of the Manhattan branch are in shreds, and Comey is busy trying to salvage what he can, of course, by denying as much as possible.

As the entire world has reason to believe, Director Comey and other agents, knowingly and over an extended period, sabotaged our democratic process and gave aid not just to right wing interests in this country but, in the process, to a foreign nation engaging in hostile actions against us.

And, of course, the media do not have the information all the rest of the intelligence chiefs do.

So of course only a few are going to find greater credibility in Comey's statements and in a few selected media opinions pulling the same direction over the unanimous evaluations of all the other heads of our intelligence agencies.

[TomVilmer]

75. Not only the FBI!

The "documentation" from FBI and Homeland Security must have been made be a schoolboy trainee. It says they have found several "IP address located in Swaziland", which actually belongs to Switzerland. Others are "IP address located in Denmark", which really are in Germany. Looks like easy mistakes about Swazi/Switzerland and the confusing DE/Germany country code. Two others are actually Danish, but are very open Tor Exit Router. This "documentation" tells nothing about the attacks, and are only spreading more confusion. I have seen NOTHING about these faults in U.S. media.

[Hortensis]

77. I haven't proofread the document, and I won't be

factchecking your statements, Tom. Call me a born fool if you like, but I have already decided the report issued by our intelligence agencies is far more credible than the FBI's response to it.

[TomVilmer]

78. You should be as scared as I am...

... that your intelligence agencies makes decisions about war and death based on such rubbish documentation and pure belief, not based on facts.

[Hortensis]

79. Tom, It's my fellow citizens who frighten me most.

Fox News: "Was Friday's declassified report claiming Russian hacking of the 2016 election rigged?"

Daily Caller: "U.S. Intelligence Report Provides No Evidence To Back Hacking Allegations, Focuses Heavily On Russian TV Network" ... The report, however, is devoid of evidence for the allegations that Russia was involved in an effort to hack Democrats and leak information, ...

Rense: Trump Warns Against Blaming Russia for US Election Hacking
... It’s clear why not. No hacking occurred. Information was leaked by one or more Democrat insiders upset about Hillary getting her party’s nomination the old-fashioned way - by stealing it.

Tom Vilmer, Democratic Underground: " Sorry - I am still not buying this story! Clinton lost the election, and there are lots of good internal US reason for that. To blame Putin is giving him all too much credit and power, and giving your own country way too little. Yes, Russia is trying to influence elections in other countries by nasty means, like USA also always have. But I have seen no clear evidence for any major actions from his side, that made a big difference. I do not care what official US Intelligence groups are claiming, since there has been sharing us no evidence at all - and they lost all credibility before the Iraq wars. Show me some real facts, and I will happily reconsider this!"

Hey, that last is YOU. Of course, with your discussion of "your country" and "your systems" it may be you're not one of my fellow citizens. Or perhaps you are but just prefer to dissociate yourself?

[TomVilmer]

80. Thanks for remembering this :)

And I still and consistently would like to see some real facts, since the ones your official Intelligence reports has given are as flawed, as anything Fox News is reporting. You can read a quite technical analysis of the "evidence" from Homeland Security and FBI, and see for your self the stupid mistakes your so called "intelligence agencies" has published. Since this seems to be the level your top researchers is working at, even our Danish tech guys could easily find the gaping holes. Next time, give us a call first - we do not like that Putin guy next door to us either.

[Hortensis]

81. Well, whatever. The Kremlin officially agrees entirely with you,

according to its state-run disinformation site RT. Right down to the stupidity of our "so-called" intelligence agencies.

The Kremlin is also using your own lack of access to the classified version of the report to claim there are no facts at all, not fewer. Same tactic for almost every other professional anti- Democratic disinformation site addressing it. Some, like Trump now, do acknowledge verifiable facts but deny any effect on the election (like below).

Moscow has slammed the recent ODNI report which claims Russia hacked the US elections. ... This publication has not added any substance for comment. From our point of view, groundless accusations backed by nothing sound, fairly amateur, on an emotional level, which can hardly apply to highly-professional work of truly highly-qualified intelligence agencies," Peskov told reporters. ... adding that Moscow is “tired” of “amateurish” US hacking intelligence.

The US intelligence community has accused Russia of aiding the victory of Donald Trump, at the same time acknowledging that “Russian intervention" did not in the end affect the outcome of the elections.

That last, of course, is a flat-out verifiable lie being pushed by every right-wing site I've visited. But hey: Disinformation is all about fake sincerity, obfuscating statements, denial when appropriate, including claims of no proof, and, of course, lies, lies lies.

[TomVilmer]

82. Even if I agreed with Russia on what day it is is today...

... it would not change the info I have provided about clear mistakes in the official report. And this is not coming from Russia, but from biggest tech media in Denmark - they got very surprised to find their own IP addresses on the US watch list for Russian hackers.

It is really disturbing to see people willingly closing their eyes just to blindly support a certain president. Hopefully we can continue this discussion under president Trump, when you all suddenly might find your critical reading glasses again. Until then - live in happy ignorance!

[Hortensis]

83. Sophistry. It is amusing that you chose a thread on

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disinformation to push a whole alternate picture based on the word Swaziland. I think a lot of people should be able to appreciate your humor. As for a "Swaziland" diversion, even Rense and RT aren't doing that. In fact, for such a supposedly incredibly telling evidence of "stupidity," nobody's talking about it. Except here.

[TomVilmer]

89. Then maybe please use your own eyes on this!

I am hopeful, that we can agree that the Department Of Homeland Security (DHS) has released a Joint Analysis Report (JAR) attributing those compromises to Russian malicious cyber activity. This official report can be found at:
https://www.us-cert.gov/security-publications/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity
From this page, interested people can look into this so called JAR, direct acces by this link:
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR-16-20296A.csv
This is a bitch to read without the proper tools at hand, but happily there is online viewers as this, which can help you to the next step.

Now you can see some of the evidence your government shared with the world. In the Zoho-viewer look at line 14 - or just at the first numbers on that list. The first one starts with 167 - the interesting is the next one starting with 185:
"185(.)12(.)46(.)178 IPV4ADDR IP_WATCHLIST C2 TLP:WHITE This IP address is located in Swaziland."
You will have to slide the line from A to G to read all, but this is what that report actually tells us on some of the very first lines. This is not so complicated - do not get scared by all those numbers, as all the journalists seems to be.

My problem with the quote comes, when I make a simple look-up of that IP address. Sorry about the tech talk, but this is important. I do this myself often to find out who has connected to my pages on the internet. Her we use a random service to connect IP to country, by this URL:
https://db-ip.com/185.12.46.178

Now I have probably totally lost you all, but believe me - the answer is this:
"IP address 185.12.46.178 or mta30.leavesorus.com is an IPv4 address owned by Eu-privatelayer and located in Zurich, Switzerland".

You could also just google the IP 185.12.46.178, and look at any of the other results. Only ones claiming this IP to belong in Swaziland is Homeland Securitys.

This info contradicts the reports, but tells us nothing about Russia and Putin. What it tells me, is that you Homeland Security agency has huge problems as they seems not to be able to read IP addresses correct. I hope they are better at protecting data, than to analyze threats!

[brutus smith]

70. This is why

you will never change these people's thought process. You could show them facts about any phony BS story they spew, and 5 minutes later they spew the same BS. We are not going to change these right wingnut's thought pattern. We need to work on our people to show them their vote does count. Get them to vote in local elections, state elections. The repubs in my town called repubs who hadn't voted yet and told them to get to the voting booth. It has to start locally and be backed by our Reps in DC.

[Solly Mack]

73. Thank you. That is very helpful.

I appreciate your time and effort.

[yurbud]

76. a couple of those are misleading twists on real stories, which is more damaging than flat out lies

[Bill USA]

84. Important report on the fake news being spread by RW Noise Machine. thank you!

Too bad M$M won't touch this. They would be in trouble with the GOP if they did!

[Bill USA]

85. also on Infowars: "BOMBSHELL: OBAMA/DHS PREPARING TO OVERTURN TRUMP ELECTION"

[Bill USA]

87. InfoWars: "Hollywood Shrew Meryl Streep Slanders Trump In Front of Adoring Elitist Comrades"

NO, I didn't make that up!

http://www.infowars.com/hollywood-shrew-meryl-streep-slanders-trump-in-front-of-adoring-elitist-comrades/

[Hortensis]

90. Lol. And Streep was not FIRED by Ron Howard for lying about Trump

at the Golden Globes.

Circulating by "Americans for Donald J. Trump" (original versions complete with photo, etc.):

After saying 6 minutes of mean things about Donald Trump without ever once using his name, humiliating him in front of a crowd of Hollywood elites and millions watching around the world, Meryl Streep got word From Ron Howard that she was no longer being cast as an older, wiser version of Mrs. C in a reboot of Happy Days that was to make her millions.

[flamingdem]

88. Thank the Koch Brothers for a lot of these lies

Disgusting individuals

[Hortensis]

91. Koch front "Concerned Veterans for America" is trying to

destroy the VA, which is both high functioning and highly valued by a large majority our veterans who need its services. Language does not have a word for just how disgusting their efforts to destroy public confidence in it is.

A sample of the sort of disinformation "Concerned Vets" is spreading"

#VAFAIL – VA CHARGING OVERWHELMING FEES FOR FOIA REQUESTS

[WeImpeach]

92. Trump impeachment Strategy

Here's a citizen's Trump impeachment method. The rules of Congress stipulate citizens can initiate the process. A Missouri citizen (Luke) used this to impeach a federal judge. Help spread the word.
https://impeachforpeace.org/cgi-bin/diy.cgi?Trump

As opposed to other online petitions, the Formal Impeachment Petition is a method for impeaching a President using a part of the Rules of the House of Representatives (“Jefferson’s Manual”) that was already used to impeach a judge. This document empowers YOU to initiate the impeachment process. The site above tracks the progress nationwide, and state-by-state, as individuals fill out the petition.
Learn more about the process here…
https://impeachforpeace.org/cgi-bin/diy.cgi#diy_about