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MBS

(9,688 posts)
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 08:42 AM Mar 2017

Outstanding article by Congressman Adam Schiff on rise of the autocrats

Article is drawn from on a March 21 speech he gave to the Brookings Institution.
https://lawfareblog.com/rise-autocrats

Here are some excerpts, but do yourself a favor and take the time to read this thoughtful article in its entirety.

The past months have left all of us reaching—for an understanding of where we are, for a sense of what lies ahead, for a path forward to meet the challenges, and, sometimes, for the right words to describe the unprecedented. In the two months since Inauguration Day, things that seemed once unthinkable now seem routine. As the ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, I feel an air of semi-permanent crisis settling over the nation’s capital, where there is a palpable disquiet that I have never seen in the decade and a half I’ve served in Congress. . . I came to Congress in 2001 and vividly recall the September 11th attacks and the weeks that followed. The tension was palpable back then as well . . . But there was also a unity of purpose, and a resolve that together, as Americans, we would confront the scourge of al Qaeda and win. There were prolonged and bitter disagreements in the months and years ahead about how to defeat terrorism, but we were united in identifying the threat and recognizing the need to act. This time is different—despite the unanimous conclusion of the 17 entities that make up the U.S. Intelligence Community that the Russian government sought to sow discord in our political process and undermine the Clinton campaign, there is a seeming hesitancy to dig too deeply into possible collusion between the Trump organization and the Russians, and to ascribe too much to Moscow, lest it call into question the “legitimacy” of the outcome of the 2016 election.
. . .
The international community of democracies, of which the United States is a part, has a duty to act in concert to protect the electoral process in France and Germany, and in other countries where Russia or other antidemocratic regimes are working to subvert elections and distort internal dialogue. As the birthplace of modern democracy and its great champion, the United States must lead this effort. Yet the sense among allies and others is that this is a role that our new President neither desires, nor considers a priority for the United States. Several weeks ago, I accompanied Senator John McCain and a bipartisan delegation from both Houses of Congress to the annual Munich Security Conference, which brings together several hundred senior policymakers and experts. The panels at this year’s gathering focused on the challenge to the West, to NATO, and to democracy itself. But there was really only one question on everybody’s mind in Munich that weekend—where is America? . . . While in Munich, I attended a small dinner organized by Irish rocker and global humanitarian Bono, who very affectingly reminded my colleagues and me of something precious about America. He said: “I’m very proud to be Irish, I’m very proud of Ireland. But Ireland is just a country, America is also an idea.” . . . Proving once again the unique genius of the Founders, the courts have stepped into the breach to block implementation of both of the President’s immigration orders. But the actions of the courts do not alleviate Congress from its responsibility, as a co-equal branch of government, to look for better, fairer, more humane ways to secure our borders. And if Congress as a whole will not speak out, then my party must. . . . First, the world’s superpower deserves a first-rate diplomatic and development corps, properly resourced and with the capacity to direct and disburse effective foreign assistance that also advances our national interests around the world. The proposed cuts to the State Department and USAID would fundamentally impair our ability to conduct a range of vital work around the world and must be opposed and reversed. . . Second, the promotion of human rights has always been at the heart of American foreign policy, yet the new Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, did not even bother to show up for this year’s release of the report on human rights, a sharp break with the practice of previous secretaries. . . . In this context I think about people all over the world who look to the United States, including those young protestors in Tahrir Square before their revolution was hijacked. Many of them now are in prison, while others are worried about going to prison. They must look to the United States and wonder—are we still here? Do they still have an advocate? Do they still have a voice?


. . . . the Russian effort succeeded in its goal of undermining support for Hillary Clinton and in the democratic process more generally because we allowed it to. Everybody knew what was going on and who was behind it while it was occurring. . . .Trump, his campaign, and news outlets from coast-to-coast gleefully pounced on the emails from senior DNC staff and from senior Clinton campaign aide, John Podesta, without much hesitation given how and why it ended up in their hands. Worse still was the receptivity of huge swaths of the American public to Moscow’s ill-gotten gains. This must never be allowed to happen again.. . . In the U.S., the state of civics education is woeful—little more than an afterthought for many school districts in an era when parents (and many future employers) want a greater emphasis on science and math. That needs to change. America’s schoolchildren need to have a much more consistent and detailed exposure to civics all the way from K-12. Not only will this build a population that is less susceptible to manipulation, it will have the added benefit of boosting our embarrassingly low voter participation rate.

Finally, no active measures campaign will succeed against a government whose citizens believe that it is serving their interests and discharging its duties honestly. Russia succeeds where there is mistrust and a lack of confidence in government and in other national institutions. That is the case in this country at the moment, and I am reminded almost daily that I am a member of an institution with an approval rating in the low single, maybe the low double digits. The American people see us as ineffective, corrupt, or both and they desperately want us to work together to solve the nation’s problems. When we repeatedly fail to pass appropriations bills; when nominees for senior government posts languish for years in the Senate; or when simple debt extension votes become an occasion for political hostage-taking, we are doing Putin’s work for him and preparing the ground for his next attack. We may be in an era when neither party can afford to give an inch, but at some point both Republicans and Democrats are going to have to re-learn the art of compromise and to redefine “victory” if the American experiment is to flourish and if we are to beat back the challenge of nativism and foreign attacks on liberal democracies. For nearly three decades now, the old ways of consensus and cooperation have been eclipsed by a 24/7 brawl in which truth is the first casualty and all of us lose. That has to stop, for all of our sakes.. . . .Liberty and democracy are not our birthright to be taken for granted. The United States of America is not exempt from the siren song of authoritarianism, nor are we invulnerable to the machinations of others. Our democracy has been paid for with blood, and it must be nurtured and treated with reverence. In some respects, our commitment to popular sovereignty is a point of vulnerability, but it is also our greatest strength. If Putin and other undemocratic leaders around the world were not so fearful of the appeal of liberal democracy, they would not seek to weaken it. Now that we know the enemy within our midst, it is up to us to rise to the challenge.
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Outstanding article by Congressman Adam Schiff on rise of the autocrats (Original Post) MBS Mar 2017 OP
this para here got to me- mopinko Mar 2017 #1
YES!!! MBS Mar 2017 #2
Yes! I just learned that advanced placement high school Hortensis Mar 2017 #3
A lot of colleges don't give automatic AP credit MBS Mar 2017 #4
yeah, that stuff is a scam. mopinko Mar 2017 #5
Don't you think intellectual curiosity and thirst for Hortensis Mar 2017 #11
i believe the opposite. mopinko Mar 2017 #13
Um. But would that thirst remain as brains mature Hortensis Mar 2017 #14
many persist, like me. mopinko Mar 2017 #16
Also very interesting. Schools set the pace at Hortensis Mar 2017 #17
i am a strong supported of public schools. as you say mopinko Mar 2017 #18
Well, with largely conservative attitudes dragging education Hortensis Mar 2017 #19
as always, judge a society by how they treat the least among us. mopinko Mar 2017 #20
Yes--SOME in that society. Some of the people driving this Hortensis Mar 2017 #21
The problem with AP courses MBS Mar 2017 #12
Those tests. We are close to no teachers now, but Hortensis Mar 2017 #15
I agree BigBearJohn Mar 2017 #7
Tremendous colorado_ufo Mar 2017 #6
So glad you like it, too. MBS Mar 2017 #8
This guy has presidential potential. padfun Mar 2017 #9
I was just thinking that myself this morning, for the same reasons. MBS Mar 2017 #10

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
1. this para here got to me-
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 10:44 AM
Mar 2017

In the U.S., the state of civics education is woeful—little more than an afterthought for many school districts in an era when parents (and many future employers) want a greater emphasis on science and math. That needs to change. America’s schoolchildren need to have a much more consistent and detailed exposure to civics all the way from K-12. Not only will this build a population that is less susceptible to manipulation, it will have the added benefit of boosting our embarrassingly low voter participation rate.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Yes! I just learned that advanced placement high school
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:25 AM
Mar 2017

courses can actually exacerbate this problem. They can satisfy first-year college course requirements, but turns out they are usually in no way equal to them. This is a quickly obvious problem when the course is to be built on for a future major, of course, but it's even worse when it'll be used to satisfy, for instance, a basic American history requirement for someone who will never build on it.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
4. A lot of colleges don't give automatic AP credit
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:27 AM
Mar 2017

- or at least specific course credit for the topic in question - for just that reason.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
5. yeah, that stuff is a scam.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:38 AM
Mar 2017

college board gets paid and dont care what is taught.
but it is a great way for little snowflakes to inflate their gpa. most give an extra point for ap classes.

full disclosure- my youngest took almost all ap classes her senior year. it saved her gpa, which was not good due to a shaky adjustment in her freshman year.
i think for kids who are actually good students, they probably get more out of them than general ed classes. but good students, w a real love of learning and ability to do hard work, seem to be a nearly extinct breed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Don't you think intellectual curiosity and thirst for
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:31 PM
Mar 2017

knowledge are more something intrinsic to the individual than taught in school? I know so many people who never read. Their personal worlds are rich to them and fully involving, and they have very little interest in what's outside. But then there are the others.

Anyway, what you guys are saying is something I just learned because our two oldest grandsons are about to enter middle school. Georgia does apparently allow an alternate route, with which HS students who qualify can take up to 24 units of genuine college classes, paid for by the program, but districts push the AP program instead. We'll have to see what's actually available as time goes on.

Nothing can be assumed now, for sure.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
13. i believe the opposite.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 02:17 PM
Mar 2017

i think pretty much all kids are all born w a huge thirst for knowledge, a deep curiosity. schools crush that. systematically. above and beyond the stupid that drives teaching to the test.

and yeah, my youngest should have been in actual college classes. it is supposedly available, but she was in a selective enrollment school, and those ap classes are assumed to be equivalent. they only push that for gifted kids in the regular district schools.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Um. But would that thirst remain as brains mature
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 02:42 PM
Mar 2017

if it weren't systematically crushed? (Not entirely in agreement with that, I chat with our grands about the world, school, and even occasionally get to visit their schools.)

Thanks for the additional information from someone who's been there. I'm newly very interested.

This reminds me, btw, of a neighbor boy who sparked an epiphany long ago. 16-17, had the chance to spend a few weeks as an exchange student with a family in Greece. Was turning this thrilling opportunity down. I'd known him since he was a toddler, and guessing he didn't want to miss summer time with friends, I tried to chat him into going. He looked me straight in the eye and with total, absolute sincerity said, "Why would I want to?" I was stunned. Greece had nothing he was interested in.

He's the same now, 20 years later. Married with children, lives in the same town he was raised in with his sister and her family and his parents nearby. Small (tiny!) world, good life. This is in Los Angeles's urban sprawl, btw, 10 minutes to the Rose Bowl, 15 minutes a heavy foot without traffic to downtown (personal experience ), 45 with. Not the Ozarks. Fwiw, the whole family's solidly conservative.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
16. many persist, like me.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 03:07 PM
Mar 2017

and some schools are actually good.
the biggest thing, imho, is taking away choice about what to learn.

i homeschooled for 8 years. i have seen what kids do when you let them learn what they want to learn. i wont bore you with stories about where my kids are now, but suffice to say that all 4 of them retain the desire and ability to follow their own curiosity.
somewhere along the line, they learned pretty much all the stuff they teach in school.

by the time i sent them to school my oldest had long outstripped my math knowledge, which is college calculus. he would check out math books at the library. when he went into it in college, he did have to work on some of the rote crap that you have to learn in math. but it was a breeze, and he is now almost done w a phd in theoretical math. the theory part always just clicked for him.

there is just so little emphasis, heck respect, for a kids ability to educate themselves.
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lots of other families that "unschool" find the same.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Also very interesting. Schools set the pace at
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 03:45 PM
Mar 2017

what the largest group can take in, of course, not those fascinated and super involved. Such a shame, and we can and should do a lot better than those districts already out in front of that. I really admire you for not accepting less than the best you could provide.

But, Mopinko, comparing public schools to intelligent and competent one-on-one teaching is, of course, terribly unfair to the task facing people with a duty to educate all children in a community, and these days on critically limited budgets. Inevitably they're going to fail to fulfilling the potential of students outside the main. Otoh, many home schoolers can't meet their children's needs either.

My orientation is that universal education is a critical factor for successful, prosperous nations. It's a magnificent new achievement borne of the Industrial Revolution, never known before in 10,000 years of human history, even when done poorly. So I won't badmouth public education itself, only wish it was adequately, properly funded and teachers paid enough to draw people as good as we need them to be. Those people would do so much all by themselves to raise the bar.

And that said, the last time I visited our local high school on an errand I felt good about the place, not least because this is the Deep South and because I also know too many of its grads go off to college on high alert for Satan's demons working to steal their souls in that dangerous environment. Really! Talk about teaching problems--teach what you believe to be true in a history class and watch a mind slam closed permanently. But what they're taught at home has more than a little to do with that.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
18. i am a strong supported of public schools. as you say
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 04:13 PM
Mar 2017

an advance in human evolution.
the problem i have is that only in the state of cali is the federal law requiring "an appropriate education" interpreted to include gifted kids.
what a waste.
only with very strong support of public schools will the kids w the most to offer to the future get what they need. starving schools can only worry about that fat middle.

my homeschooling really wasnt much one-on-one. especially since i ended up w 4 kids, 2 of which were born along the way. they were very much on their own in a way that schools could match, but dont.
we used to see kids on our weekly museum field trips w their worksheets. sad. and they were usually just so overjoyed to be out of the classroom that they saw nothing. meanwhile, my kids were seeking out the docents with their "wonder carts", and stumping them w their excellent questions.

sadly common core, which i mostly support, will only make it harder.
the math part is rock solid and builds on what kids learn from birth to school, instead of this myth that kids are blank slates.
i confess to being mostly ignorant of the other subjects. but it smells like more high stakes testing in the future.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Well, with largely conservative attitudes dragging education
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 04:30 PM
Mar 2017

down, not all but certainly most, we've come through a period full of examples of what not to do. What could be more stupid for a modern nation than to require students to run heavily into debt to get college-level training and degrees--to actually have government make money off them!--instead of investing in a population educated to meet their own needs and the needs of the times?

Inevitably, this is and will continue to create backlash and insistence on betterment. I do believe huge ultraconservative money in politics, working hard to block advances, is the major reason we are not already seeing a new, relative golden age of advances and investments in public education.

They've invested billions to fool people into believing that, like all other government programs, public schools simply can't be good and to elect ultraconservative idiots to government at all levels, including very much school boards. And it's all to for the purpose of destroying compulsory education and compulsory taxation to pay for it altogether.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
20. as always, judge a society by how they treat the least among us.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 04:35 PM
Mar 2017

especially children.
right now we treat them like cattle and are surprised that all they can do is moo in harmony.

and yes, at root it is the greedy who pull us all down.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Yes--SOME in that society. Some of the people driving this
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 04:47 PM
Mar 2017

see no need for most people to even exist and have great contempt for anyone who actually needs public education.

Others, a huge force currently pulling with callous anti-tax greed, are against public secular education. Not sure most of those who imagine they're serving god care any more about the "least" among us, or perhaps some do and believe they are doing their best for the others, but for sure they feel no need to consult them about their wishes in all this.

But, of course, to those who've gotten control of the right, all but the top 0.1 or so are considered among "the least." Doctors and lawyers are merely labor to those trying to restructure our society to get rid of that contemptible notion of government of, by and for "the people." As Justice Brandeis said, “We can have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both.”

MBS

(9,688 posts)
12. The problem with AP courses
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:45 PM
Mar 2017

is that teachers are forced to teach to the AP test, which in many subjects (and also depending on the teacher) emphasizes memorizing facts more than thinking about those facts, while college courses - if they are doing their job - emphasize critical thinking and writing, which are not necessarily an important part of AP courses.

Also, the topical material and skills taught in college courses often differ from that of AP courses. For introductory courses that serve as specific foundations for upper-level courses - say, introductory biology, chemistry, or physics - that difference in material can be crucial, and is one of the reasons that colleges so often do not award automatic credit for AP courses: because they really are not the same as college introductory courses.

If memory serves, my son's AP physics class was a stimulating experience for him in high school, and helped him do well enough on the college placement exam to get him into an honors introductory physics in college, but did not earn him any college credit.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Those tests. We are close to no teachers now, but
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
Mar 2017

again and again as I chat with people at one gathering or another in 2 and sometimes 3 states, I run into teachers who have to deal with what they feel is counterproductive testing requirements.

Regarding the factors that go into this, I tutored in my first couple years of college, including English, and a few students who found themselves relegated by testing to remedial classes but came for help early enough literally were able to re-test and reapply for "freshman" English after just a couple sessions. Because for apparently the very first time they cared about and were paying attention to, for instance, simple "recipes" for how to structure a paragraph and paragraphs into essays, where to put the commas and why, when to use a semicolon. Still makes me happy to remember the 4 or 5 who came early enough for me to go ask the school to let them test again and still get in freshman English. There were more others, though, who could have done the same thing but came for tutoring after classes had closed. It really wasn't at all uncommon to go from fail to what I felt was enough competence to move ahead in very short order.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
8. So glad you like it, too.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:45 AM
Mar 2017

I think it's a very important article. If I could, I'd stand on street corners or subway entrances and hand out copies to people.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
10. I was just thinking that myself this morning, for the same reasons.
Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:19 PM
Mar 2017

At minimum, he's a voice to be reckoned with. (Well, he already is). When Feinstein retires, I would think that he would be a good candidate to replace her in the Senate.

If you look at his bio, he's been a consistent, strong voice for human rights, too.

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