Conservatives Blow Off the Constitution to Degrade Poor People
According to the ACLU, during the 2011 legislative session there were bills in over 30 states for the testing of people receiving government benefits ranging from housing to welfare. This surge of support for mandatory drug testing of the poor is taking place despite past court rulings finding it unconstitutional. Specifically, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2003 that Michigans program to drug test welfare recipients violated the 4th amendment right that requires the government to have a compelling criminal case before searching an individual. It turns out that simply being in need of help is not a compelling reason for the government to conduct a search, particularly one as invasive as collecting bodily fluids. The judge pointed out that there was nothing to stop the government from next testing people who attended public school. Remarkably, it turns out that the ACLU has had to fight that battle against a Missouri public technical college that was requiring that all of its students be drug tested.
These facts havent deterred Republican legislators across the country from working overtime to pass laws for mandatory drug testing. Many liberals are familiar with Governor Rick Scott of Floridas push to test welfare recipients, because it famously found fully 96% of applicants for welfare tested negative. Naturally, Floridas testing program was halted by a court order, specifically because the blanket testing of people seeking help was judged to violate the 4th amendment. Less well known, Indiana has also passed a law requiring people who apply for job training and unemployment benefits to be drug tested which found only 2% tested positive. Georgia has a Senate bill that would test people applying for both welfare and Medicaid while a separate bill would require food stamp recipients to engage in personal growth activities. Kentucky has a bill that tries to get around the court rulings about unconstitutional illegal searches by putting caseworkers in charge of determining who seems to be suspicious and worthy of a drug test. Some states are even considering testing for nicotine. Yes, seriously, nicotine.
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http://www.politicususa.com/conservatives-degrade-poor-people/
A Good Read
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)To me, people who are have a hard time should be tested for diseases that are holding them back, and this includes mental illness and substance addiction. But the answer then becomes to treat them so they can better succeed, and this is where Republican support obviously fades away, because it feels like universal healthcare. The real thing worth noting here are the attempts to criminalize the disease of substance addiction, not the idea that we are scanning those who need support for possible diseases that are holding them back.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)How about drug testing legiislators instead?
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)I can tell you that there really are street people who are street people because of mental health issues, who when they receive proper treatment could be holding down jobs and all the rest. I assume the same is true with addictions. So in that sense, detecting diseases for treatment along with providing assistance makes sense. This of course has little to nothing to do with what's being argued here though, what I am hearing here is people talking about kicking the "loser druggies" off welfare, without looking at drug addiction as something to be treated. I'm also hearing the idea that welfare people are generally drugs addicts, which the facts don't bear out either.
saras
(6,670 posts)Testing for nicotine: what are you going to do with the results? many employers already ban it.
Some think nicotine deserves schedule I status, whereas others think it should be legal.
I think both are true, which isn't merely me being weird, but why the issue is complicated - our system is wacky.
Worse, our system is wacky because some of the fundamental concepts are wrong or inappropriately loaded emotionally.
Example 1: the word "drugs" - what does it mean to you? do you assume it means the same to others? Illegal drugs is MUCH more specific but ignores everything but one narrow aspect, "addictive", "harmful" and such are subjective, and at any rate, all kinds of self-harm is allowed - people choose quality over quantity of life all the time. It's not AUTOMATIC that a particular harmful behavior SHOULD be banned, it is a political evaluation of costs and benefits to various populations.
wikipedia sez the DEA does this (bold added by me):
"The term 'controlled substance' means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986." 21 U.S.C. § 802(6) Some have argued that this is an important exemption, since alcohol and tobacco are the two most widely used drugs in the United States. More significantly the exclusion of alcohol includes wine which is sacramentally used by many major religious denominations in the United States.
"require food stamp recipients to engage in personal growth activities"
Like perhaps MDMA therapy for rape-induced PTSD? (pdf from maps.org)
See, I told you it wasn't simple.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)People smoke because their is a chemical holding their brain hostage, so they will suffer and become dysfunctional without smoking. I speak from experience. There isn't even a high with cigarettes, just pure addiction.