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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 09:24 AM Aug 2017

A hobbled commander in chief tries to rally the country - By Jennifer Rubin

At a low ebb in his presidency, amidst questions about his judgment and mental stability, President Trump on Monday night asked the country to trust him in sending more troops into the nation’s longest war. Coming after his panned tweet to throw transgender people out of the military and his incendiary remarks about Charlottesville, his paean to military cohesion and diversity rang hollow. (“The men and women of our military operate as one team, with one shared mission and one shared sense of purpose,” he said. “They transcend every line of race, ethnicity, creed, and color to serve together and sacrifice together in absolutely perfect cohesion. That is because all service members are brothers and sisters. They are all part of the same family. It’s called the American family. They take the same oath, fight for the same flag, and live according to the same law.”) At times he seemed to be defensively rewriting his remarks on Charlottesville. (“Love for America requires love for all of its people. When we open our hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice, no place for bigotry, and no tolerance for hate.”)

What we did learn was the “America First” has no meaning (other than to deceive gullible isolationists). Aside from that and a general disposition toward “winning,” we did not hear with any specificity how he intends to achieve victory or even how he defines “victory.” Trump laid out a standard, mainstream view on the need to avoid defeat in Afghanistan:

First, our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made, especially the sacrifices of lives. The men and women who serve our nation in combat deserve a plan for victory. . . . Second, the consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable. 9/11, the worst terrorist attack in our history, was planned and directed from Afghanistan because that country by a government that gave comfort and shelter to terrorists. A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS and al Qaeda, would instantly fill, just as happened before September 11. . . . Third and finally, I concluded that the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense. Today, 20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world. For its part, Pakistan often gives safe haven to agents of chaos, violence, and terror. The threat is worse because Pakistan and India are two nuclear-armed states, whose tense relations threat to spiral into conflict, and that could happen.


Unfortunately, the means to achieve victory seemed both vague and insufficient. “We will not talk about numbers of troops or our plans for further military activities. Conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables, will guide our strategy from now on,” he said. (That’s fine, but could we get a ballpark figure to assess whether the commitment is sufficient to obtain the desired result?) One platitude followed another. “Another fundamental pillar of our new strategy is the integration of all instruments of American power, diplomatic, economic, and military, toward a successful outcome.” But have we not been doing that for almost 16 years? The result hardly sounded like a definitive victory. (“Someday, after an effective military effort, perhaps it will be possible to have a political settlement that includes elements of the Taliban and Afghanistan, but nobody knows if or when that will ever happen. America will continue its support for the Afghan government and the Afghan military as they confront the Taliban in the field.”)

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A hobbled commander in chief tries to rally the country - By Jennifer Rubin (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
Essentially trump's plan is that there is no plan. Nt joeybee12 Aug 2017 #1
Just like his economic plan, his tax plan, his health care plan CanonRay Aug 2017 #2
Yup. Nt joeybee12 Aug 2017 #3
A vain attempt by the Generals Zoonart Aug 2017 #4
You're kidding, right? He has all the best plans: DetlefK Aug 2017 #7
Apparently we are going to win the war in Afghanistan by winning the war in Afghanistan underpants Aug 2017 #5
Another fundamental pillar of our new strategy vlyons Aug 2017 #6

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. You're kidding, right? He has all the best plans:
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 11:26 AM
Aug 2017

He has a super-double-secret fool-proof plan how to defeat ISIS... that he is not sharing with anybody. Which is why he ordered the Pentagon to come up with their own plan, which is basically Obama's plan but with more bombs.

He has a fantastic healthcare-plan that will insure more people and lower costs... and he will show it to Ryan and McConnell any minute now.

He has a plan to build a wall at the cheap and make Mexico pay for it... and it involves begging the mexican President to stop saying he won't pay for the wall.

He has a plan to bring back coal-jobs... and it involves coal-miners standing behind him at rallies.

He has a plan to focus the government on creating jobs... and it involves dissolving both of his work-councils before they get to work.

He has a plan to get rid of unnecessary regulations... and it involves killing a study that was supposed to find out whether mountaintop-removal mining is bad for your health.

He has a plan to make the world stop laughing at the US... well, okay, that worked. Nobody is laughing anymore.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
5. Apparently we are going to win the war in Afghanistan by winning the war in Afghanistan
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:16 AM
Aug 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029499346


Here some others who weren't able to control and govern Afghanistan


The Afghanistan area has been invaded many times in recorded history, but no invader has been able to control all of its regions at the same time, and at some point faced rebellion. Some of the invaders in the history of Afghanistan include the Maurya Empire of ancient India, Alexander the Great of Macedon, Umar, an Arab Caliphate, Genghis Khan of Mongolia, Timur of Persia and Central Asia, the Mughal Empire of India, various Persian Empires, the British Empire, the Sikh Empire, the Soviet Union, and most recently a coalition force of NATO troops, the majority from the United States, which entered the country in the first-ever invocation of NATO's Article 5 "an attack on one is an attack on all" following the September 11 attacks in the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasions_of_Afghanistan
Truth Justice and the American way - that's all we ask. I refuse to subscribe to the culture of victimization that plagues white males in this country. The poor and the powerless are not the ones organized to screw me over.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
6. Another fundamental pillar of our new strategy
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:52 AM
Aug 2017

is the integration of all instruments of American power, diplomatic, economic, and military, toward a successful outcome.”

Given that he has decimated and crippled the State Dept, we can expect even more failure in Afghanistan - the graveyard of empires.

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