Shitstain Voters In IA Suddenly Notice His Tariffs Will Kill Their Jobs. Huh. Who Knew?

[hatrack]

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But people here — Republicans and Democrats alike — are paying great attention to what President Trump is doing economically, especially since he started in on tariffs. We have a strong manufacturing base in our county; when tariffs on aluminum and steel were announced, local manufacturing leaders tried to be diplomatic, praising the Trump tax cuts but saying the steel and aluminum tariffs would hurt their businesses by driving costs up.

One smaller manufacturer — a Trump voter — told me that his costs to produce his product nearly doubled overnight, and that his business has already been hurt by the tariffs. Prices didn’t rise only after the tariffs were announced; they started rising when Mr. Trump floated the idea. But it’s the farm economy that rural Iowans are paying particular attention to. When the president first proposed a 20 percent import tax on Mexico to pay for his wall, Iowans objected: Mexico is our second-largest export partner after Canada.

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A couple of banker friends who work with farmers every day told me last week that with commodity prices down and the tariffs imposed, approximately 10 percent of our farmers probably won’t make it this year, and 10 percent more will likely fail next year. They also shared the news that in Iowa, larger agribusinesses are buying up smaller farms that are in financial trouble, and that people are starting to make comparisons to the farm crisis of the 1980s, when approximately 10,000 Iowa farmers lost their farms. Even Representative Steve King, the avid Trump supporter and Iowan every liberal loves to hate, is worried about a new farm crisis.

Dairy farmers are particularly hard hit, suffering through four years of declining prices. It’s gotten so bad, dairy farming organizations are giving out suicide hotline numbers, as farmers are committing suicide in the hope that their insurance will save the family farm.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/opinion/trump-tariffs-agriculture-economy.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront

[exboyfil]

1. I don't think they have thought through what the attack on Amazon

actually will mean long term for their local post office and what they will pay to receive letters and packages.

[bobbieinok]

31. IIRC Reagan's deregulation destroyed bus service to small IA towns. And cut air service to Des Moine

Cut in air service meant it became difficult to hold big conferences in IA, actually conferences of any size.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

47. Airline deregulation started

in the late 70's, under Carter. I was an airline employee back then, and we understood that eventually deregulation would mean that flying would be like taking a Greyhound bus, and it is in more ways than you might realize. So many smaller cities that used to have good, or at least decent, service, are totally unserved these days. You simply cannot get from here to there any more.

[bobbieinok]

52. Thanks for correction. I lived in IA then and remember the mess decreased air service made

[PJMcK]

2. Those poor little snowflakes

Hey, Trump voters!

Elections have consequences. Get it?!

The previous president helped the country's economy after his predecessor ran it into a ditch. What made you think-- if you did at all-- that Trump would make things better?

It's too damn bad if you're starting to suffer the effects of your electoral choices.

[Ohiogal]

5. EXACTLY!

Will they wake up now and realize the huge mistake they made just cause they wanted to "shake things up"?

[Soxfan58]

6. But

Her E-mails.

[Ohiogal]

8. Oh yes I forgot that is

a much bigger issue in their eyes than any of the hundreds of rules, laws, and morals that Trump has trashed.

[Metro135]

20. But

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

[bitterross]

25. What made them think? His racism and misogyny - that's all.

They thought with only their little lizard brains. Trump lit those up like the sun with his talk of taking things back from those undeserving minorities. So they voted for him.

People who actually engaged their frontal lobes knew better. But here we all are - stuck with 45 and him putting more of them on welfare.

[LenaBaby61]

80. "It's too damn bad if you're starting to suffer the effects of your electoral choices."

And many of those same people will blame Pres. Obama for their plight, because Fatso will say that it was Pres. Obama's fault 🙄

[47of74]

3. They made their bed.

They can lie in it now.

[Texin]

18. Unfortunately, EVERYONE ELSE has to climb in there with them!

[efhmc]

32. Yep.

Unfortunately I do not see the impact yet in Texas. When voting in the primary, I got to hear some old white guy fool tell everyone at the top of his way too loud voice that he was voting repug because he needs those "tax cuts". In this small town, we share small quarters and the county is run by a boss hog man and his cronies.

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. I don't want to lie in their lice infested bed...for now, I have no choice...

that pisses me off.
Just like I have no choice that we (America) invaded Iraq and killed almost, oh hell, lets call it what it is, A MILLION women, children and men. All because of a daddy complex and big bad cheney wanted the oil.

[BigmanPigman]

74. ....

[Tanuki]

83. They sure did, and they sure can.

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[Girard442]

4. Trump will tell the farmers that evil China, Mexico and the EC are hurting their farms and...

...that means we have to beat up on them with even more tariffs and maybe even military threats. Who knows how many have drunk so much Kool-Aid they'll side with him, but probably a lot.

[Ohiogal]

9. He will say he can beat up Mexico, lol

[rainin]

7. They'll blame it on Obama

and Republicans will vote for the next idiot rep candidate. You can't help someone who lives in a propaganda bubble. Who's going to tell them the truth?

[Aviation Pro]

10. Well this seems appropriate

[True Blue American]

11. Shocking!

Gowdy was on this yesterday saying that Mueller needs to continue his investigation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rep-trey-gowdy-on-mueller-indictments-this-is-exactly-what-we-wanted-him-to-do/

[njcpa1978]

59. Not running so now I have morals.

Just like the other Repugs who get a conscience once they aren't running anymore. Yet they voted FOR the tax debacle just like the rest of the morons.

[True Blue American]

63. Bulls eye!

[mgardener]

12. I toured a local apple packing plant

He was not happy with Trump.

Wait till the veterans figure out that he wants to privatize their health care.
My trump voting friends did not believe me when I told them that before the election.

[Wounded Bear]

42. Veterans are on top of that already...

Most veterans, anyway. We're doing what we can.

This Vet didn't vote for Trump and won't vote for a Repub at any level. I stopped doing that many years ago.

[Still In Wisconsin]

71. My dad was a Marine too (Korea) and then a cop for almost three decades. None of his Marine buddies

voted for Trump (nor did he) but interestingly almost all of his friends (and he has MANY) from the Police force DID vote Trump. Slowly but surely the old cops are figuring it out. Seems his Marine buddies knew what Trump was all along. If I had to guess, more of the Marine buddies are Republicans than not, but they saw through Trump.

[quickesst]

13. A reminder for consideration....

Not all farmers, dairy people, and manufacturers are Trump supporters, and do not deserve broad blanket condemnation. Trump supporters who fall into one of those categories may have gotten what they deserve, but the people, Democrats, Independents, and their children who depend upon those products and will pay a price for other's bad decisions, do not.

[hatrack]

16. You're right, of course - only about 60-90% of them in rural Iowa voted for him . . .

And as we all know, the most important thing in the world is to protect people from the consequences of their bad decisions . . .

[quickesst]

24. You are right of course

Trumper's will forgive him almost anything, but, perhaps when he starts getting those greasy little paws into their pocketbook they'll look at it a little differently. It's a shame that the consequences of their bad decisions do not end with them, but affects a lot of good people down the line. Thanks for the reply.

[bobbieinok]

35. Are middle blue Ames and IA State, 2 east U of IA, a d other U of NoIA?

[hatrack]

53. From W to E, Des Moines Metro, Waterloo/Cedar Falls, then Iowa City/Coralville/Cedar Rapids

.

[roody]

54. South of Ames is Des Moines, the capital.

[bobbieinok]

62. Oops. Forgot that. Couldn't believe it when Ames got burdened with Steve King

Was that because IA lost a House rep?

[HenryWallace]

49. What a difference a few years make?

I wonder what the difference is...

[link:|

I got it; Russia, Russia, Russia!

[Clarity2]

14. Waiting for the market to open

I predict it's not going to be good. Let's not forget Putin wants to set off another Depression. He must be the stupidest man on earth, because a Depression/dropping market is going to ensure a democratic president and dem midterm win.

[malthaussen]

15. Rather than insult them...

... maybe we should encourage them? And please, I am fully aware of all the grammar-school reasons for scolding and mocking them. Don't bother to reiterate them.

-- Mal

[hatrack]

17. Sorry, but to paraphrase Glinda, "They'll have to find it out for themselves" . . .

.

[Ilsa]

19. So they thought IQ45 would just fuck over everyone else, not them.

This tells a story that should be discussed quietly, farmer to farmer.

dairy farming organizations are giving out suicide hotline numbers, as farmers are committing suicide in the hope that their insurance will save the family farm. 

[IronLionZion]

21. People often underestimate how much America exports

American agricultural is truly amazing. It produces more food than most large countries due to several reasons including better education and more fertile land and government policies/subsidies that prop up our farmers. America produces way more soybeans than China could even dream of.

When people focus too hard on the foreigners stealing our jobs, they often overlook the foreigners buying our products and services.

It would be great to punish only the Trump voters but unfortunately there are many Hillary and Obama voters who are going to get punished by tariffs also. China is in a punitive mood and they have the power to do it.

[avebury]

55. Trump is out to pull a double whammy on agriculture.

1. Retaliatory Tariffs against them by other counties
2. Harvesting the crops and handling livestock - a lot of which are done by migrant workers (which Trump doesn't want to let in).

[IronLionZion]

68. Rural voters get hurt more by Trump's policies than urban voters will

and China is reportedly targeting products from states that voted Trump

[quartz007]

76. Steel workers are unionized and will benefit

from steel tariffs. And union workers vote democratic.

But the problem is not steel or agricultural products. The problem is net foreign trade deficits which is selling out American land, mines, and farms.

[IronLionZion]

77. How many Americans work in steel?

And how many Americans work in industries that use steel to make other stuff?

Both groups are being fed a steaming pile of lies

[quartz007]

79. that was not my main POV

By pure numbers, I am sure Ag workers outnumber Steel workers. But I am looking at the long term picture. Do we want American workers to work for foreigners who do not favor unions? Just observe union treatments in China & Japan & other Asian countries.

Also note that the dollar value of manufactured products is far greater than agricultural products. Steel is extremely critical to military issues as well. If heaven forbid a war breaks out with say China, and we depend on Chinese steel to build our tanks and guns.

[lostnfound]

22. Send them thoughts and prayers? Nt

[PatrickforO]

23. Yes, now we're talking about 'job killin' regulashuns' here, absolutely.

Trump is a moron to start a trade war, but hey, these people who voted for him will learn the lesson that we should vote in someone who has a plan and knows what they are doing instead of a sociopathic idiot.

Funny - the analogy I always use about the election of Donald Trump is that it is the same as if I wanted an outsider to pilot my 767 on a transatlantic flight and hired a plumber instead of a pilot. Just a really, really bad idea.

[DonCoquixote]

26. instead of chasing whiever Trump slept with

THIS is what we need to blast through the megaphones, because sadly, this is all the voters in trump country care about, period.

[Gothmog]

27. K&R

[Grins]

29. How stupid? 'Ya mean like this...?

"How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?" - Trump, November 2015, referring to the Iowans who voted for him.

[Chickensoup]

30. Good intentions.

Our president is like a bull in a china
shop.He may have good intentions
but his lack of experience and strategic
depth is causing huge damage every
where he turns.

[hatrack]

33. He doesn't have intentions, he has impulses - sudden, emotional, violent and childish

And he responds to them immediately, whatever they might be, and no matter what the next impulse might be.

It's the Toddler Tantrum White House.

[Chickensoup]

61. Danger....Danger.

You see now we know the kind of
S..t we are in . Aided and enabled
By by th RNC.

[Merlot]

38. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I"ve seen no iindicatos that "good intentions" are part of the policy making process. Instead, the evidence supports a president who makes decisions based upon grievences and a need for revenge.

He's not a bull in a china shop, he is a wrecking ball being run by the republicans.

[Chickensoup]

65. Thanks for your views.

You are spot on .

[True Blue American]

66. And a lot

Of what Trump does, Republicans have wished for all along.

[Wounded Bear]

43. Trump does not have "good intentions"...

His intent is to feather his own nest at our expense. So far, he's succeeding, and his supporters are enabling him.

[Chickensoup]

67. My feelings.

I am so heartened by what you
Said.It so self evident I am surprised
that his supporters do not see it.

[paleotn]

48. Good intentions?!

You're kidding, right? Right?

[Chickensoup]

56. Hello.

Of course!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. He doesn't have good intentions. He is interested only in what benefits him.

He thinks imposing tariffs is good for him because his equally ignorant base thinks tariffs are good for American manufacturing - not understanding that they aren't good for anybody.

[Chickensoup]

57. Thank you.

Well said.

[Skittles]

75. good intentions?

um.........no, he does NOT have good intentions - not for ANYONE but himself

[jberryhill]

82. Good intentions? Like banning Muslims?

[duforsure]

34. Just wait until these IA people

Figure it out that trump's already doing stuff to damage and destroy Medicaid, Medicare, and their Social Security, just like he has done to the ACA to skyrocket their costs and premiums, and now reports showing in 2-3 years the ACA premiums will increase at least 90%. And oil a barrel has jumped up under trump from $40-43 a barrel to $60-65 a barrel , or over 50% under trump raising all costs for power and gasoline dramatically higher, and then now china trade tariffs, and nafta, prices are going to skyrocket with what he's doing.

[47of74]

84. Terry Branstad gleefully helped too.

He privatized Medicaid here in Iowa and it’s been a disaster.

[SharonClark]

86. And yet Gov Kim Reynolds blamed Obama at her presser yesterday.

[Grins]

36. Are all those now-pissed farmers are going to show up en masse in Washington to protest...?

"...approximately 10% of our farmers probably won’t make it this year, and 10% more will likely fail next year. ...people are starting to make comparisons to the farm crisis of the 1980s, when approximately 10,000 Iowa farmers lost their farms."

So are all those now-pissed farmers are going to show up en masses in Washington to protest...? Like they did in the 80's?

At the time I was living in Washington, DC near the White House, and every day I saw farmers in their heavy equipment blocking the major avenues (and more) in protest. Caused big problems for those who had nothing to do with their 'personal' problem. You liked them and hated them at the same time.

So, guys - Where are you?

[Afromania]

37. This guy has and always will be a fraud. The history was there clear as day for anybody to see

no tax returns, multiple bankruptcies and business failures and this is the guy you think is going to do better than some of the best and brightest the country has to offer?? WE TOLD THEM..... REPEATEDLY that this was the end game for the GOP the entire time. We told them that this election was going to get them there almost immediately.

They did what they did and not they are going to have to pay for it, tough fucking shit. Pull yourselves up by your boot straps and get a fucking clue. That it has not and never will be the fault of the "Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Jewish, Muslims, High School Students" or any of your other boogie men. It's always going to be that person that looks just like you talking foolish shit in your ear while his hands are in your pockets.

Jesus, they need to get the fuck over their bigotry and stop screwing themselves over to indulge in it. Opioids are not the biggest drug problem in this country it's whatever happy happy joy joy juice their brains are creating when they engage in bigoted shit. They are hooked on it and unwilling to give it up.

[Farmer-Rick]

39. As a small organic farmer some of those complaints have nothing to do with Trump

First.....What strong manufacturing base? All the textile mills disappeared about 20 years ago and then the remaining plants closed in the last RepubliCON crash. Even the canning companies have moved to Mexico. So here in rural TN, I see no strong manufacturing base.

I could see those huge grain farmers may have problems exporting their chemical laden GMO foods to Mexico in a tariff war but I kind of hope they do. Because their form of farming is unsustainable and destroys our environment.

Small farmers have been being gobbled up by corporate farms for the last 50 yrs. It's due to the systemic capturing of markets by corporate farms. If you are a small farmer and you raise vegetables and produce, not grains, you can't sell to grocery stores, to schools, to hospitals and retirement homes. Corporate farmers have taken over all these markets. The average small farmer is lucky to be able to sell at farmer's markets and roadside stands. Not as profitable as the markets monopolized by corporate agri business.

Another problem for small farmers is the gradual total illimination of price protection. That's why dairy farmers are disappearing. They use to have guaranteed sales at a living wage level....not any more. America use to think supporting and maintaining a robust small agricultural tradition was important but not anymore. Price and profit are the ONLY consideration anymore.

Do you know what Trump action really pissed off the small chemical conventional farmers? It was his immigration policy. They have been bitching about paying higher labor costs ever since immigrants had to go underground to keep from being deported.

[Mosby]

73. +1

[Zorro]

40. They're getting what they voted for

I see no reason why they should be complaining.

[47of74]

85. Thats where Im at too.

Any Spanky McFornicateFace voter can go Fornicate themselves. I’m not one of those tolerant understanding liberals that the GOP and a number of people on DU want. Fornicate that. These people made their beds and now it’s time for them to lie in them. They’ll get no sympathy from me.

[Pepsidog]

41. LMAO

[Progressive dog]

44. If it were just Trump voters

who will be harmed by the psychopath, I would figure that they earned it. They'll probably continue to support him. They know that he's an ignorant, malevolent narcissist and he's what they voted for.

[NastyRiffraff]

45. I doubt if some of them will make the connection

between Trump's tariffs and the economic pain they're experiencing. Trump, after all, is their Messiah, and Messiahs can do no wrong. It'll be China's fault, or the Democrats' or Obama's or Hillary's.

Don't underestimate the utter stupidity of some of these people.

[mountain grammy]

46. I remember our local news doing a piece on Colorado farmers who

were meeting for their morning coffee hour or two, or three, at the local cafe and praising trump who will take care of all those "people on welfare and food stamps" who won't go out and get a job, and build the wall, gosh dangit. This was a fairly wealthy, privileged, all white bunch receiving farm subsidies and government checks, which I guess allows them to hang in the local cafe for hours. A short interview with the one Democratic farmer in the bunch mentioned the facts of federal payments to farmers that these farmers feel "entitled" to receive while they disparage working people who need assistance.

I imagine Iowa farmers have pretty much the same mindset.

[Farmer-Rick]

64. In the last 20 years a lot of those subsidies have gone away or have been changed

Milk price protections have been removed and that's why the small dairies are disappearing. Many other agricultural price controls have also been removed due to free trade acts and law suits by corporations like the fresh flower market disappearing and being taken over by South America.

But the remaining subsidies, Not price controls, basically grants or cost sharing for projects, have been turned into welfare for the rich. These supports from the US Ag department have catches or qualifying regulations that requires the farmer to have large farms or huge production before you can qualify for them.

For example, I wanted funding to help build a fence and waterers for my sheep. I had a herd of about 30. In order to qualify for the funding assistance, I had to have a herd of 50+. Now the breed of sheep I have cost for a young ewe was $200, that was 5 years ago. So for a herd of 50, it would cost $10,000. Eventually I went up to 60 to qualify, (they raised the size of the herd requirment.) after renting some pasture from the closing dairy down the road. So, then the US ag dept. paid about 40% of the cost.

But there was a free barn and pasture rejuvenation program that I would never qualify for because you needed to have herds in the hundreds.

So you're right the richer the farmer, the more money the US govt. throws at him.

[mountain grammy]

69. Thanks, I was hoping for a DU farmer to weigh in

since all I know is what I read and see, like this story on the local news.. Lots of farms/ranches in Colorado and like most of America I have to assume the big money flows uphill and the pittance trickles down.

[paleotn]

50. You bought it. You own it.

Enjoy.

[padfun]

58. In California, agribiz already has a HUGE footprint.

The larger agribusinesses have already bought up smaller farms. There are some Organic family farms but most of the ag business around here is big ag, not family farms.

I do see a lot of urban farms round here but I am near what is called "Little Saigon" and many of those are tended by Vietnamese. They are big on using fields to grow crops and at least it uses the land for good things instead of just wasting away.

[procon]

60. Maybe that was part of the plan all along?

Force out the small operators so the giant corporations can move into a market with no competition. Then the Big Biz types can broker more concessions from local governments while cutting employee wages and benefits to increase corporate profits. Trump hands out tariff exemptions to companies that praise him, and in return they will gladly make a substantial donation to the Trump campaign fund or book their next shindig at his hotels.

[d_r]

70. This is how

we lost so many family farms and got big factory farms, thanks to Reagan in the 80s. Who will those factory farms employ without immigrant labor?

[SWBTATTReg]

72. I understand the separation between urban and rural areas in this country and ...

that there seems to be a disconnect between the two groups (suburban seems to be in the middle of the bunch, w/ white females going democratic, and white males going gop) but it seems (to me at least) that 'someone' has to buy goods from the rural farmers (wheat, soybeans, thousands of items) and this 'someone' (one of them) happens to be the urban folks in the big cities. This group (urban folks) happens to be one of the largest markets for our farmers in the US.

Also, in the manner of recreation and leisure, most of these activities occur in rural areas too (boating, fishing, etc.) so a lot of urbanites go to the rural areas where the majority of these activities happen and buy meals, lodging, etc.

All I am saying is that the urban areas (and the folks who live in these areas), seems to be constantly knocked down and made fun of by the rural folks (I feel this way) when in fact, we are (the urbanites) one of rural America's largest customers and we spend a heck of a lot of money in rural areas too.

tRUMP has built up this rural vs. urban negativity up to the point where it is way overblown, and he did it just to get votes. I don't think tRUMP gives a hoot about any rural voters (other than the votes), and he obviously has no clue as to what he is doing (based upon his tariff actions). Now, tRUMP has turned off another group of customers that the US farmer relies on, the overseas markets. Now, farmers are going to be under pressure too, w/ overseas markets going elsewhere.

Need to reconcile our differences and get together, and get rid of this so called 'know it all', BEFORE its too late!!

GOTV!

[mn9driver]

78. Minnesota pork farmers are watching their product price crash as well.

Minnesota is number two in hog production and China just slapped a big tariff on their product. Guess who most of them voted for.

[RainCaster]

81. WA fruit farmers are getting an education from China

Every one of those bastids voted for the Almighty Shit Stain. I should empathize, but I'm not.