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elleng

(130,773 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 01:52 AM Jul 2018

Reversing Roe v. Wade Won't Help Republicans.

Overturning the landmark 1973 ruling, as seems more and more likely, might take away a powerful tool for energizing conservative voters — and it might motivate liberal ones.

'Overturning Roe? Watch what you wish for, Republicans.

The imagined implications of Justice Anthony Kennedy’s resignation for the future of legal abortion have brought visions of long-awaited sugar plums to anti-abortion politicians and activists. In 2016, candidate Trump pledged to appoint anti-abortion justices to the Supreme Court, saying that two or three such appointments would mean the end of Roe v. Wade. Next week, we get the name of President Trump’s second pick. Trump’s anti-abortion supporters — including his evangelical advisers, the National Right to Life Committee, Americans United for Life, the Susan B. Anthony List, and most significantly, the Republican Party — are now confident that it is just a matter of time until Roe is overturned.
Yet the celebration around Roe’s demise seems premature, if not downright dangerous for the Republican Party. For starters, there is muted recognition that even under a Supreme Court populated by conservative Trump appointees, Roe v. Wade may not be overturned. This is because judges of all leanings are guided not only by their views on specific issues but also by foundational jurisprudential principles. These include stare decisis, which holds that unless there is a very strong reason for overturning a prior decision, that decision should stand as the rule for similar cases in the future. Early in our history, Americans rejected the idea of courts swaying to whatever political breeze blew in at election time. Citizens should be able to rely on the durability of constitutional law no matter who is in office.

Indeed, the last big challenge to Roe was decided on the basis of stare decisis. In 1992, conservative-leaning justices refused to overturn Roe in a case called Planned Parenthood v. Casey. They explained that although they might have voted against Roe had they been on the Court in 1973, they would not vote to overturn it 20 years later. They found that nothing in the law had changed in the interim to justify overturning Roe. In fact, the court held quite the opposite, noting that an entire generation of “people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail.” This kind of social reliance might be even more weighty two generations after Roe.

But let’s assume, as both the left and the right seem to do, that of the nine justices, five of them can see their way clear to overturning Roe. How could that be bad news for Republicans? Since the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan brought the anti-abortion movement into the Republican tent, a coalition of Republicans and evangelicals has focused on abortion generally and Roe in particular, as the super fuel that energizes the right. The ongoing Republican commitment to eliminating legal abortion by overturning Roe was evident in the 2016 election. Then, 70 percent of conservative voters said that the issue of Supreme Court appointments was very important to how they planned to vote, more than any other group. Small wonder then that President Trump said in a speech before the Susan B. Anthony List in May, “Now, for the first time since Roe v. Wade, America has a pro-life president, a pro-life vice-president, a pro-life House of Representatives, and 25 pro-life Republican state capitols.” From this perspective, what’s not to like about Roe’s reversal?

Counterintuitively perhaps, there are quite a few things. Getting rid of Roe would deprive the far right of one of its most crowd-pleasing, rabble-rousing, go-to issues. After all, there is plenty to dislike about abortion, if one is so inclined: the assumed sexual promiscuity of careless women and disobedient girls; the view that abortion is murder; and the power Roe gave to women by liberating them from their traditional place in the home. Roe bashing is a powerful source of solidarity; its absence would deprive Republican politicians and Fox News of the issue that stands at the ready to roil the political pot.

This is especially true now that fewer targets are available for Republican moral outrage. It used to be that you could always count on anti-abortion and anti-gay hostilities to stoke the base. But gay people and certain gay rights have become more familiar. There is now a right to marry the adult partner of your choosing. To be sure, there has been a presidential full-court press aimed at replacing gays with immigrants as the new subverters of the American way. Yet the last few weeks have revealed that mistreatment of immigrant families can cause popular, religious and legislative blowback, including from conservatives.
Claims of moral rectitude are not the only thing lost if Roe is overturned. If Roe is reversed, the question of whether abortion should be legal or whether it should be a crime reverts to the states, and this could produce additional concerns for the right. If state legislatures decided not to criminalize abortion, frenzied Republican accusations of “judicial activism” — the liberal judicial overreach Roe is claimed to symbolize — would ring completely hollow.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/abortion-roe-v-wade-supreme-court-republicans.html?

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Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
1. K&R
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 02:04 AM
Jul 2018

I despair. I really do.

Oh, I'll fight but still...I despair.

The right simply isn't rational in Trump's America.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. They will truly be the dog that caught the car ... and EVERY DEATH as a result ...
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 02:47 AM
Jul 2018

of botched abortions, which WILL be carried by every media outlet with any integrity ... they will be BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

And believe me, they're going to be QUICKLY finding out that many White 'Family' women, with multiple children already, are going to be dying as a result as well ...

I expect that these deaths will provide sharp relief vs. the 'young, childless, frivolous, urban slut' stereotypes that they've been sold on for 40 years plus.

In closing, fuck all you people who support taking away a woman's right to choose. You're going to rue the day ... mark it down.

Just like everything else you're trying to rip away, all the progressive accomplishments since and including the New Deal? You'll soon find out ... those achievements came about because they were RIGHT. The battles were fought by your types long ago, and they LOST.

That's why many progressive achievements are still around today, for your ilk to frivolously 'repeal' as your POS in Chief has been doing .. because they were GOOD AND RIGHT. And they STILL ARE, and you're all going to pay a horrible price for your stupidity, trying to bury them all on the dustheap of history. They MADE ALL OUR LIVES BETTER, that's why they 'won' 100, 60, 40, 20, however many years ago.

Things haven't changed that much since. But those who forget history ...

3Hotdogs

(12,333 posts)
3. R. v.W. overturned as bad for Republicans. That was what I was thinking also.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:08 AM
Jul 2018

I can't imagine Pat Robertson or Bakker's sheeples being inspired to vote for ---- because it would be good for the balance of trade. They ain't gonna get off their asses for something they don't understand.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
4. Repugs are running out of issues mainly because rump is overusing them again and again ...
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:43 AM
Jul 2018

to the point that it is like crying Wolf 3 times and no one comes.

Montana proved that rump is running out of places to go in the US where he can get folks riled up about anything now. Folks are getting increasing tired and fed up w/ his stupid and ignorant ravings and rants, which have nothing to do w/ reality. What does Elton John have to do w/ anything reality-based in my life today? I want to know about when higher gas prices will go down, I want to know when the cost of my groceries goes down, I want to know when my taxes will go down, I want to know when I can expect a little more money in my paycheck, week to week, etc.

And he's talking about his brain and Elton John?

Pathetic idiot...sic the housewife on rump that Pruitt met recently and let her give rump a piece of her mind...

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
5. Trying to make lemonade out of lemons...
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jul 2018

... and subtly disturbing, since the premise is "It's okay if women suffer a few deaths from unsafe abortions if it will mess up the GOP."

It might remove one issue, but what prevents the Republicans from simply moving on en masse to more oppression and deprivation of rights?

-- Mal

Marcuse

(7,446 posts)
7. Obsessed with fertility rates: "You can't rebuild a civilization with other peoples' children."
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jul 2018

This explains the RW abortion policy as well as immigration, drug, criminal justice, and other things Trumpian. It sees itself as being at war for the conscience of America’s largest and historically predominant tribe. If it wins, we lose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/steve-king-white-nationalism-racism.html

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