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elleng

(130,865 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:50 AM Jul 2018

Liberal Blind Spots Are Hiding the Truth About 'Trump Country'

For one thing, it’s not Trump country. Most struggling whites I know here live a life of quiet desperation, mad at their white bosses, not resentful toward their co-workers or neighbors of color.

WICHITA, Kan. — Is the white working class an angry, backward monolith — some 90 million white Americans without college degrees, all standing around in factories and fields thumping their dirty hands with baseball bats? You might think so after two years of media fixation on this version of the aggrieved laborer: male, Caucasian, conservative, racist, sexist.

This account does white supremacy a great service in several ways: It ignores workers of color, along with humane, even progressive white workers. It allows college-educated white liberals to signal superior virtue while denying the sins of their own place and class. And it conceals well-informed, formally educated white conservatives — from middle-class suburbia to the highest ranks of influence — who voted for Donald Trump in legions.

The trouble begins with language: Elite pundits regularly misuse “working class” as shorthand for right-wing white guys wearing tool belts. My father, a white man and lifelong construction worker who labors alongside immigrants and people of color on job sites across the Midwest and South working for a Kansas-based general contractor owned by a woman, would never make such an error.

Most struggling whites I know live lives of quiet desperation mad at their white bosses, not resentment of their co-workers or neighbors of color. My dad’s previous three bosses were all white men he loathed for abuses of privilege and people.

It is unfair power that my father despises. The last rant I heard him on was not about race or immigration but about the recent royal wedding, the spectacle of which made him sick.

“What’s so special about the royals?” he told me over the phone from a cheap motel after work. “But they’ll get the best health care, the best education, the best food. Meanwhile I’m in Marion, Arkansas. All I want is some chickens and a garden and place to go fishing once in a while.”

What my father seeks is not a return to times that were worse for women and people of color but progress toward a society in which everyone can get by, including his white, college-educated son who graduated into the Great Recession and for 10 years sold his own plasma for gas money. After being laid off during that recession in 2008, my dad had to cash in his retirement to make ends meet while looking for another job. He has labored nearly every day of his life and has no savings beyond Social Security.

Yes, my father is angry at someone. But it is not his co-worker Gem, a Filipino immigrant with whom he has split a room to pocket some of the per diem from their employer, or Francisco, a Hispanic crew member with whom he recently built a Wendy’s north of Memphis. His anger, rather, is directed at bosses who exploit labor and governments that punish the working poor — two sides of a capitalist democracy that bleeds people like him dry.

“Corporations,” Dad said. “That’s it. That’s the point of the sword that’s killing us.”

Among white workers, this negative energy has been manipulated to great political effect by a conservative trifecta in media, private interest and celebrity that we might call Fox, Koch and Trump.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-corporations-white-working-class.html?

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Liberal Blind Spots Are Hiding the Truth About 'Trump Country' (Original Post) elleng Jul 2018 OP
So why in the world do they vote for Republicans? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #1
A vote for Republicans means that there is a chance they get to be the 'white boss'. Afromania Jul 2018 #2
I don't think either one of you even read the piece Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #4
I read the article and I meant exactly what I said. Afromania Jul 2018 #5
exactly, it's the same shit over and over again. but we have facts. maybe the author's father really JI7 Jul 2018 #10
Exactly right!! (Excellent post) InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #27
this is not true. non college whites were A LOT more likely to vote for trump and currently still JI7 Jul 2018 #11
They vote republican because they believe wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #3
K & R. Very important article, thanks. appalachiablue Jul 2018 #6
Honestly MFM008 Jul 2018 #7
the fact is majority of white people voted for trump and even more so with less education JI7 Jul 2018 #8
the majority of white people? Break it down, what are numbers when you look at education levels? beachbum bob Jul 2018 #13
You nailed it beachbum bob and this is by design generously financed by the less than 1% Uncle Joe Jul 2018 #15
From the link lunasun Jul 2018 #16
College educated; especially in these days and times doesn't mean affluent, Uncle Joe Jul 2018 #17
from the demographics available on google trump got white uneducated people votes beachbum bob Jul 2018 #18
I am in WI and I wish Feingold had gotten more votes BlueWI Jul 2018 #25
Hate corporate bosses and people born into wealth? Need Social Security? Vote wealthy corp heir Prof.Higgins Jul 2018 #9
One person's dad's opinion doesn't change what my eyes and ears tell me. Squinch Jul 2018 #12
Another "try to understand the trump base" article from the NYT? Paladin Jul 2018 #14
I toss this into the russian bot dumpster as another attempt to discourage democrats, which is a beachbum bob Jul 2018 #19
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #21
That is encouraging. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #20
Right, thanks for paying attention to the message. elleng Jul 2018 #22
Thanks for posting the article. BlueWI Jul 2018 #23
Thanks. As you note, elleng Jul 2018 #24
Thanks! BlueWI Jul 2018 #26
 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
1. So why in the world do they vote for Republicans?
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:53 AM
Jul 2018

Republicans are the white bosses. Why vote for your boss?

A vote for Trump is a vote for your white boss.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
2. A vote for Republicans means that there is a chance they get to be the 'white boss'.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:10 AM
Jul 2018

Voting for Democrats means diversity and fairness. Which means the boss may not be white and when the boss is white the rules and regulations in place won't allow for it to be a little fiefdom where civility towards others can be tossed to the wind.

Bradshaw3

(7,514 posts)
4. I don't think either one of you even read the piece
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jul 2018

It was about not painting all the white working class with the same brush and that college educated whites (meaning the bosses) voted for drumpf by about the same margin. But it's the poorer whites who are getting blamed while conservative country club types get a pass. The author writes about her working class father who despises the types of white asshole bosses you refer to and works alongside people of color.

There's a lot of blame to go around for the election disaster; maybe it's time to focus on those who played the biggest part in drumpf's election.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
5. I read the article and I meant exactly what I said.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 02:09 AM
Jul 2018

The white blue collar workers voting Republican want to be the white collar worker and the white collar folks want to be trump. Their shared vision heaps blame for why they can't, or won't, on 'others' and/or regulations/laws.

The NYT is disingenuous with their article as they have been with a lot of them lately. Their conservative bias towards red areas has been showing for a bit. It shakes down in my opinion to another divisive bit to clue the red state/rural blue collar white voter in on how liberal voters are allegedly looking down on them.

Blue voters are in every nook and corner of this country at every economic level. I think the NYT doesn't seem to understand that we know, or at least they are pretending we don't.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
10. exactly, it's the same shit over and over again. but we have facts. maybe the author's father really
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:19 AM
Jul 2018

isn't racist and doesn't blame minorites but the fact is that most of them do and we see it in how they vote. consistently. over and over again.

majority of them voted for Trump.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. this is not true. non college whites were A LOT more likely to vote for trump and currently still
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:22 AM
Jul 2018

support him than those with higher education.

the author may write about her father but the facts show most whites do blame minorites and that is shown over and over again in voting results .

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
3. They vote republican because they believe
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:46 AM
Jul 2018

in myths about liberals. They are voting against liberals.

MFM008

(19,806 posts)
7. Honestly
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:12 AM
Jul 2018

And frankly, i could give a dried turd
about what they want or think.
When they move to affect my life
is when i draw the line.
Russia stole the last election. Period.
We have to find some way to deal with
Election theft(2000, 2004, 2016) first and foremost.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
8. the fact is majority of white people voted for trump and even more so with less education
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:14 AM
Jul 2018

and most white people do blame minorities more than wealthy white bosses.

just look at the white support for trump.


she mentioned some cases of the racists like the white people calling cops on black people doing everyday things. but left out the violent thugs at charlottesville .

i mean, why didn't they vote for Russ Feingold ? over 90 percent of black women voted for FEingold and that includes all education/income levels. but majority of whites voted for the republican and trump.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
13. the majority of white people? Break it down, what are numbers when you look at education levels?
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:19 AM
Jul 2018

At economic status.

Among whites, Trump won an overwhelming share of those without a college degree......whites who are less educated = vote republican

and its not rocket science as to why: republicans break down their message to say:


1. your plight is the results of democrats giving away money to minorities, you are DISCRIMINATED AGAINST because you are WHITE, YOU ARE THE VICTIM BECAUSE YOU ARE WHITE, you have no money because all the money goes to blacks, hispanics, illegal immigrants and its democrats who give it to them

2. your freedom is under siege by democrats to: own guns, to be allowed to discriminate against minorities, against gay people, to have to TOLERATE ABORTION

less education means the message can be pure bullshit as they know this demographic doesn't care if it is as it feeds their own inert and overt racism

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
15. You nailed it beachbum bob and this is by design generously financed by the less than 1%
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jul 2018

1. whether it be lobbying for short changing public education to breed ignorance combined with

2. the corporate media's myopic focus on the superficial or drama at the expense of critical substantive issues affecting the American People especially during election season to grow cynicism, distraction and ambivalence mixed with

3. decades of "Slip, Sliding Away" stagnant wages to spawn frustration, stress, resentment among an ever shrinking middle class and you have molded the perfect electoral combination of an ignorant, divided, fearful, angry populace; every dictator's moist dream.

The key point people should keep in mind is this is by design all in service to the less than 1% as a means to increase their stranglehold on not just our nation but governments around the world.

A second point being that attacking or even generalizing about people enmasse instead of taking on the financial roots or magnifiers behind those problems plays directly into oligarch hands further enhancing their abilities to continue or even increase their carcinogenic abilities to divide and conquer the people.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
16. From the link
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jul 2018

Much has been made of the white working class’s political shift to the right. But Mr. Trump won among white college graduates, too. According to those same exit polls trotted out to blame the “uneducated,” 49 percent of whites with degrees picked Mr. Trump, while 45 percent picked Hillary Clinton (among them, support for Mr. Trump was stronger among men).
Such Americans hardly “vote against their own best interest.”
Media coverage suggests that economically distressed whiteness elected Mr. Trump, when in fact it was just plain whiteness.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
17. College educated; especially in these days and times doesn't mean affluent,
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jul 2018

that's why tuition free college and relief from staggering higher education debt are such hot issues.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
18. from the demographics available on google trump got white uneducated people votes
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:35 AM
Jul 2018

like 70% for trump THAT is who got him elected. White educated women voted for Hillary, educated whites nearly 50/50. Educated non whited 70%+ for hillary,

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
25. I am in WI and I wish Feingold had gotten more votes
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)

from all demographics. That being said, I think there were a lot of assumptions that Feingold was a guaranteed winner in that race. He has name recognition and positive associations as a "good government" senator if you are over 40 or a likely Democratic voter. I don't think his campaign succeeded well enough at increasing name recognition and turnout from other demographics in the election. Basically, it was a 1990s campaign in a 2010s race. Bernie Sanders won the Wisconsin primary that same year by a wide margin as a change oriented candidate with a clear message and populist approach. Feingold relied more on core Democratic constituencies and not enough was done to hike up turnout, statewide.

One more thing - compared to Tammy Baldwin, Feingold was not focused as much on turning out voters of color in Wisconsin's mist diverse area of Milwaukee. In the Black Lives Matter era, the direct outreach needs to be strong in every statewide race. As much as I admire Feingold's strengths and accomplishments, I never found him to be someone that addressed issues of racial disparity with the same passion as he addressed other issues.

JMHO. Points to consider to help improve the results this November and beyond.

Prof.Higgins

(194 posts)
9. Hate corporate bosses and people born into wealth? Need Social Security? Vote wealthy corp heir
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:18 AM
Jul 2018

who will degrade your social safety net to pay for gifting tax cuts to the most wealthy, removing all regulations on business and keeping wage growth weak. This man, at the very least, represents the ignorance of those millions who voted against themselves. Perhaps a future economic recession due to Trump and Republican Congress greed will be effective reality therapy, but I wouldn't bet on it because such extreme lack of knowledge as this man's is rarely curable.

The only way to stop Trump and Republican destruction of America is to motivate the majority of voters, which constitutes the Democratic Party's supporters, off their backsides on election day. That's where the effort and money must be spent rather than wasting it attempting to "educate" ignorant people.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
12. One person's dad's opinion doesn't change what my eyes and ears tell me.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:09 AM
Jul 2018

Trump was openly racist and sexist throughout the campaign.

Hillary presented good, workable economic plans for these regions in her campaigns.

These regions still voted for trump.

Post election analysis said their voting had diddly squat to do with economics.

Trump offered nothing but encouragement for their racism and sexism.

They voted for him because they liked his racism and sexism.

This one white guy hating his white bosses doesn't change that. It only suggests to me that his entitled feelings are not being bowed to

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
19. I toss this into the russian bot dumpster as another attempt to discourage democrats, which is a
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:37 AM
Jul 2018

big fail

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
20. That is encouraging.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jul 2018

It seems that these economically depressed regions are ripe for a populist along the lines of Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, and would almost certainly gravitate toward a known quantity like Biden.

What they want is someone who understands their plight, and rightly focuses their anger towards the excesses and overreach of their corporate overlords. They fell for a phony populist in Trump because they also want someone who seems to speak in an unscripted manner, without focus-group tested lines. So, candidates: talk about what you believe.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
23. Thanks for posting the article.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jul 2018

It encourages us to avoid the broad brush perspectives that consistently cost us votes and opportunities to win races that are not in blue states.

I am currently at a family reunion in my mom's home state of Arkansas. Lots of educated voters of color surrounding me and some liberal whites in so-called Trump country.

As one downthread comment mentioned, 70 percent of white men in the working class demographic voted for Trump. That sounds like 30 percent did not. Why not try to move from 30 percent to 50 percent in 2020, or better? It's happened before.

Someday we will all move from venting to strategizing, looking at an election map where 2/3 of the land mass is assumed to be Trump Country before any vote is cast. The DNC, state parties, and local campaigns can't afford the kind of venting and generalizing that DU is rife with. So I appreciate the article's encouragement to imagine better strategy.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
24. Thanks. As you note,
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jul 2018

avoiding broad brush perspectives is what we need. We could do so if we paid attention to what real people in the real world say, think, need, and do.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
26. Thanks!
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jul 2018

I agree 100 percent. There's work to do, but the margin of the 2016 losses are not insurmountable. Flipping the House or Senate would be a great morale booster and starting point for a Democratic party comeback. Let's do this!

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