Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 03:28 PM Jul 2018

AP FACT CHECK: Collusion not a crime? Not exactly the point.

Source: AP

Giuliani is right that the term “collusion” isn’t a precise one when it comes to U.S. law. But that doesn’t change the potential legal fallout stemming from the Russia investigation, which could touch on laws against computer hacking, election fraud and conspiracy against the United States.
...
If Trump or his aides knew in advance that Russia had the trove of stolen emails and did nothing to alert federal authorities, they could be accused of covering up the crime of stolen emails or working as foreign agents. Although it’s rare for the Justice Department to charge people for not reporting illegal behavior, it’s also not often that a special counsel team, with a wide-ranging mandate to find wrongdoing, is on the case.

As well, a conspiracy to defraud the United States can be used to refer to any two people using “deceit, craft, or trickery” to interfere with governmental functions, such as an election.

In other words, “collusion” might be shorthand. But if it relates to Russia and U.S. elections, it can still be very much against the law.

https://apnews.com/3eb241f5117646b883d7ee6d68b3e193/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Collusion-not-a-crime?-Not-exactly-the-point.

4 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
AP FACT CHECK: Collusion not a crime? Not exactly the point. (Original Post) Snellius Jul 2018 OP
Absence of the WORD in the law doesn't mean the FACTS don't matter. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #1
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #2
They know they've committed serious crimes. The collusion bit is a smoke screen and a very stupid Nitram Jul 2018 #3
Kick dalton99a Jul 2018 #4

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. Absence of the WORD in the law doesn't mean the FACTS don't matter.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jul 2018

Saying "No collusion" a million times has solidly cemented in the public mind the fact that the type of collusion being discussed, would be criminal. Now they face an impossible task to admit collusion, while changing the narrative from "collusion would have been a crime, but we didn't do it" to "we did it but it's not a crime." Good luck with that.

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
3. They know they've committed serious crimes. The collusion bit is a smoke screen and a very stupid
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:29 AM
Jul 2018

one at that. Trump has spent so much time loudly and angrily denying collusion that it is most certainly a crime in the minds of the public by now.

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Editorials & Other Articles»AP FACT CHECK: Collusion ...