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Judi Lynn

(160,631 posts)
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:19 PM Aug 2018

Two Pieces of Apparently Forged Evidence Suggest We're in for Some Fireworks in the Manafort Trial


by Colin Kalmbacher | 7:28 pm, August 1st, 2018

Two apparently forged documents could spell a mountain of trouble for Paul Manafort going forward.

During his trial in the Eastern District of Virginia (EDVA) on Wednesday, multiple vendors took center stage as they were asked about their business relationships with Manafort and the myriad business entities he used to facilitate payments for non-business purposes.

After establishing the basic facts of those relationships, Mueller’s team plowed through and pored over as many documents as Judge T.S. Ellis III would allow in order to show various international wire transfers initiated by those entities to cover the costs of Manafort’s jet-set lifestyle.

The first vendor up was Maximillian Katzman, son of Alan Katzman, the namesake and proprietor of high-end, customized apparel brand Alan Couture, which is located in New York City just south of Central Park.

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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/two-pieces-of-apparently-forged-evidence-suggest-were-in-for-some-fireworks-in-the-manafort-trial/
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Two Pieces of Apparently Forged Evidence Suggest We're in for Some Fireworks in the Manafort Trial (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2018 OP
Forged documents submitted as evidence jayschool2013 Aug 2018 #1
Very good point - deliberately deceptive headline? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #11
Probably just lazy jayschool2013 Aug 2018 #13
Word choice is the job. Their words matter! lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #14
I know, right? jayschool2013 Aug 2018 #17
305 years in jail sounds more appealing to Manafort than Novichok does. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #2
Convictions are so rare in these types of cases that he thinks the odds are that he won't AJT Aug 2018 #4
I beg to differ. This is what's called a "paper case" as most of the evidence... brush Aug 2018 #5
Everything I've read says the opposite- there is a paper trail showing the crimes. Who says it's bettyellen Aug 2018 #6
Criminal convictions of the very rich are rare. AJT Aug 2018 #8
He's not actually very rich. He's a debtor lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #10
This specific types of tax evasion and bank fraud are usually easily bettyellen Aug 2018 #12
Aahhh Yup. This is what a twitter convo was about earlier then. Wwcd Aug 2018 #3
Huh? matt819 Aug 2018 #7
Except that. Do we know the actual value of the suits? Nt Ninga Aug 2018 #9
Hmmmm n/t jaysunb Aug 2018 #15
I hope the judge ALLOWS the prosecutors to "make all this clear for the jury" red dog 1 Aug 2018 #18
Then the question would be, what did Katzman do with the "surplus."? 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #16
"Mueller's team plowed through and poured over as many documents as Judge T.S. Ellis lll.. red dog 1 Aug 2018 #19

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
13. Probably just lazy
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

Most people — even quite a few journalists — aren't sticklers for syntax, word choice, etc.

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
17. I know, right?
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 04:35 PM
Aug 2018

Reporters aren't always big on words, believe it or not. They tend to be more into the information gathering aspects of their jobs. Editors are usually much better with word choice and order, but copy editors are getting laid off faster than buggy whip makers.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. 305 years in jail sounds more appealing to Manafort than Novichok does.
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:29 PM
Aug 2018

Why else would he be fighting this?

AJT

(5,240 posts)
4. Convictions are so rare in these types of cases that he thinks the odds are that he won't
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:34 PM
Aug 2018

be convicted.

brush

(53,894 posts)
5. I beg to differ. This is what's called a "paper case" as most of the evidence...
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:43 PM
Aug 2018

consists of documents—actually printed or computer files.

That's why most experts have said this is a slam dunk case—and now there is evidence that Manafort submitted forged documents.

Slam dunk, again.

I surmise there are two reasons for the holdout. He's hoping for a pardon from trump, or he's afraid of what Putin will have done to him if he turns.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. Everything I've read says the opposite- there is a paper trail showing the crimes. Who says it's
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:43 PM
Aug 2018

rare to convict?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. This specific types of tax evasion and bank fraud are usually easily
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

won in court. I’d agree that they get away with more than poor people in general because they have much better lawyers. But in these kinds of cases, the stats are not good for Manafort.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
3. Aahhh Yup. This is what a twitter convo was about earlier then.
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:30 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016212403

Maximillian Katzman, 29, the manager of a luxury menwear store in New York City, testifies that Paul Manafort spent more than $929,000 on suits between 2010 and 2014.
He was the store's only customer to pay using wire transfers from foreign accounts"

The laundering of foreign money..

matt819

(10,749 posts)
7. Huh?
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 02:48 PM
Aug 2018

Not a lawyer, but watched a lot on tv.

If he bought $929,000 worth of suits, then the fact that he wired $929,000 is not odd. Payment for goods.

If he bought $500,000 worth of suits and wired $929,000, then something odd is going on, and the business owner has to be involved.

In either case, his spending of large sums on this or the construction work, or whatever, without apparently having a source of that income taxed in the US, then there's a tax evasion issue.

I just hope the prosecutors can make all of this clear for the jury.

3Hotdogs

(12,417 posts)
16. Then the question would be, what did Katzman do with the "surplus."?
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 04:29 PM
Aug 2018

Did he return it to Paul, $9,999.99 at a time? If overage was returned to Paul, there would likely be a record.

red dog 1

(27,866 posts)
19. "Mueller's team plowed through and poured over as many documents as Judge T.S. Ellis lll..
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 06:26 PM
Aug 2018

.would allow."??

That sounds like Judge Ellis was placing a limit on documents to be presented by Mueller's team.
Why would he do that?
How many documents did the judge NOT allow to be presented?

This judge sounds flaky to me.

"Manafort Trial Judge Wants The Lawyers Eye-Rolling To Stop"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210951141

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