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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:10 PM Aug 2018

Climate Wake-Up Call: *Mayan Civilization Collapse & Extreme Drought* New Study

"New Study On The Collapse of Mayan Civilization Should Be Climate Wake-Up Call Under Trump's Policies, The Megadrought That Devastated The Mayans Will Become The New Normal." By Joe Romm, Think Progress, Aug. 7, 2018. Excerpts:

A new study finds that it was a severe and long-lasting megadrought that destroyed the great Mayan civilization a thousand years ago. But the research has ominous relevance for us today since America’s top scientists have warned us that President Trump’s climate policies will make such civilization destroying megadroughts commonplace in the coming decades.

The Mayans had one of the world’s first written languages, used advanced mathematics, measured timed with an accurate calendar, produced durable rubber three millennia ago, and figured out “how to grow corn, beans, squash and cassava in sometimes-inhospitable places.”

Yet after reaching its height in its “Classic” period (250 AD – 800 AD), the Mayan empire collapsed over the next two hundred years. While many theories have been offered- including environmental degradation, war, and drought- researchers from Cambridge’s Godwin Laboratory for Palaeoclimate Research have shown that the collapse “correlated with an extended period of extreme drought.”

In a recent study published in the journal Science, “Quantification of Drought During the Collapse of the Classic Maya Civilization,” the researchers calculated for the first time just how bad the drought was. From 800 to 1000 AD, they found, “Annual rainfall must have fallen by around 50% on average and by up to 70% during peak drought conditions.”
In addition, “relative humidity dropped by 2% to 7%” compared to today..

This study is especially relevant today for two reasons:
First, America has already started experiencing warming-worsened droughts that are as bad as any drought seen in the past 1200 years. Second, climate scientists have shown that under current climate policies we face even worse multi-decade megadroughts. For instance, *here is a 2015 NASA projection (See Link) of what the normal climate of North America will look like on our current emissions path. The darkest areas have soil moisture comparable to that seen during the 1930s Dust Bowl.

We could see a severe megadrought lasting decades hitting both the California breadbasket and the Midwest breadbasket at the same time. Also, tens of millions of people in Mexico and Central America - (Mexico alone is projected to have a population of 150 million in 2050) - will be desperately trying to find a place to live that isn’t so hot and dry, and that has enough fresh water and food to go around. They aren’t going to be looking south (and, of course, their coastal cities will be inundated by accelerating sea level rise).

A couple million Syrian refugees has turned global politics upside-down in recent years. What happens when that is multiplied 10-fold? Or 50-fold? ..“Human adaptation to prolonged, extreme drought is difficult or impossible”...

Read More, https://thinkprogress.org/a-megadrought-destroyed-the-mayan-civilization-were-next-92e10dea33c5/

Related: "Once-in-1200-Year California Drought Bears Signature of Climate Change," Think Progress, Dec. 8, 2014.
https://thinkprogress.org/once-in-1200-year-california-drought-bears-signature-of-climate-change-33195982384c/



- Mayan civilization ruins, Quintana Roo, Mexico, February 2016.

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Climate Wake-Up Call: *Mayan Civilization Collapse & Extreme Drought* New Study (Original Post) appalachiablue Aug 2018 OP
Well, famine is mother nature's way of population control. dhol82 Aug 2018 #1
Famine, disease & more will do it, always. If we don't get appalachiablue Aug 2018 #2
Yup. dhol82 Aug 2018 #3
I think I read in a post yesterday BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #4
In late July, top climate scientist Prof. Michael Mann said appalachiablue Aug 2018 #7
Prof Mann from Penn State BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #8
Thanks, I'll look at this. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #10
Throw in a few nukes from resource wars breaking out NickB79 Aug 2018 #9
The other article is from 2014 FirstLight Aug 2018 #5
NOAA, Drought and the Ancient Mayan Civilization. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #11

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
2. Famine, disease & more will do it, always. If we don't get
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:32 PM
Aug 2018

on top of what needs to be done and end current reckless policies, this could be where we're headed. Even so, it might be too late already according to some experts. Human-made insanity and destruction, killers..

BigmanPigman

(51,592 posts)
4. I think I read in a post yesterday
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 08:21 PM
Aug 2018

(it may have been from you in fact) that even if all of the damage currently causing Climate Change were to suddenly stop completely it would take several decades to a century for the atmosphere on Earth to return to normal. That seems like a realistic estimate to me.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
7. In late July, top climate scientist Prof. Michael Mann said
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 09:26 PM
Aug 2018

we're now seeing climate change in 'real time.' Also, Calif. Gov. Brown, there's 2 decades to a century already in place. A year or more ago I read that other experts claimed that even if we did everything right now, it's in effect and possibly irreversible. Grim and I hope there's still a chance to alter aspects of CC.

"Extreme global weather is 'the face of climate change' says leading scientist," July 27, 2018, The Guardian.
**Exclusive: Prof Michael Mann declares the impacts of global warming are now ‘playing out in real-time.’

The extreme heatwaves and wildfires wreaking havoc around the globe are “the face of climate change,” one of the world’s leading climate scientists has declared, with the impacts of global warming now “playing out in real time.”
Climate change has long been predicted to increase extreme weather incidents, and scientists are now confident these predictions are coming true. Scientists say the global warming has contributed to the scorching temperatures that have baked the UK and northern Europe for weeks. The hot spell was made more than twice as likely by climate change, a new analysis found, demonstrating an “unambiguous” link.

Extreme weather has struck across Europe, from the Arctic Circle to Greece, and across the world, from North America to Japan. “This is the face of climate change,” said Prof Michael Mann, at Penn State University, and one the world’s most eminent climate scientists. “We literally would not have seen these extremes in the absence of climate change.”
“The impacts of climate change are no longer subtle,” he told the Guardian. “We are seeing them play out in real time and what is happening this summer is a perfect example of that.”...
July 27, 2018, The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/27/extreme-global-weather-climate-change-michael-mann, https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016212839

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
5. The other article is from 2014
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 08:29 PM
Aug 2018

But I still believe it is very relevant because just 2 years of some good rainfall, etc doesn't do jack shit for the rest of the state, much less the planet.

We are definitely screwn, and the "models" that say "Oh, IF we don't fix this, then THIS will happen in the next 50-100 years" are BULLSHIT - this is happening NOW, and the next 10 years are gonna fry our asses and show us how bad it's gonna get for the next 20...

I have very little faith that this can or will be turned around. The dynamics of weather and climate are still "new" sciences for humans, and reversing such a global shift is well beyond our scope.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
6. NOAA, Drought and the Ancient Mayan Civilization.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 08:58 PM
Aug 2018

- Drought and the Ancient Mayan Civilization- NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 2014.

Originating in the Yucatan Peninsula, the ancient Maya civilization occupied a vast area of Mesoamerica between 2600 BC and 1200 AD. Constructing thousands of architectural structures and developing sophisticated concepts in astronomy and mathematics, the Maya civilization rose to a cultural florescence between 600 and 800 AD

Then, between 800 and 950 AD, many southern cities were abandoned and most cultural activities ceased. This period is known by archaeologists as the collapse of the Classic Maya civilization. The Maya, never able to regain their cultural or geographical prominence, were assimilated into other Mesoamerican civilizations until the time of the Spanish Conquest in 1530 AD.

The cause of the collapse of the Classic Maya civilization is one of the great archaeological mysteries of our time, and scholars have debated it for nearly a century. Some scientists suggest that a period of intense drought occurred in conjunction with the Classic Maya collapse and could have contributed to the Mayans’ misfortune....

Read More, https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/Drought%20and%20the%20Ancient%20Maya%20Civilization





Mayan Pyramid built before collapse of the Classic Maya Civilization.

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