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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,472 posts)
Thu May 9, 2019, 11:06 AM May 2019

Barr's contempt charge won't force Trump to give House Democrats what they want. Here's what might.

AG Barr's contempt charge won't force Trump to give House Democrats what they want. Here's what might.

Democrats are unlikely to obtain the testimony and documents they seek using court proceedings or tricky parliamentary maneuvers.

May 8, 2019, 4:49 PM EDT
By Suzanne Garment, author of “Scandal: The Culture of Mistrust in American Politics”

The House Democrats have their work cut out for them. It’s become inescapably, ineluctably clear: The Trump administration isn’t going to comply with, acquiesce in or submit to congressional requests. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin won’t turn over President Donald Trump’s tax returns. Attorney General William Barr won’t give Congress the unredacted Mueller report, contempt charge or no contempt charge. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross won’t testify any more about the census citizenship question. Former White House Counsel Don McGahn won’t produce, for now, either testimony or documents.
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The Democrats have to face it: No technical trick is going to do the job. Their only route to success is via the muddy road laid out by master politician Abraham Lincoln: “Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.” ... The most straightforward procedural suggestion for addressing executive branch noncooperation is to subpoena documents and testimony and, if they aren’t produced, hold the responsible individuals in contempt of Congress. This, it turns out, is not such a great idea.
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In short, as I said above, no clever technical trick will do the job. If Democrats try to fight the administration through procedural means alone, they’ll become mired in processes that will likely last well beyond the 2020 presidential election — which may be the Trump re-election. Instead, they have to do something harder: Mobilize public sentiment by refusing to “move on” from the Mueller report.

In judging the House Democrats’ options, it’s impossible not to think of Watergate, in which the House articles of impeachment against President Richard M. Nixon were substantially similar to the charges against Trump today: financial corruption, obstruction of justice, resisting lawful congressional subpoenas. ... When we look back at Watergate, its course seems preordained. But it wasn’t until the spring and summer of 1974, two years after the break-in, that Republicans began deserting Nixon in droves. The collapse of the Republican wall that had shielded Nixon wasn’t due to any procedural coup by Democrats. Instead, the cause was sustained pressure from Democrats, judges and journalists, much-maligned, who refused to “move on” from the break-in and the sentencing of the Watergate burglars.
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Suzanne Garment, a lawyer, is the author of “Scandal: The Culture of Mistrust in American Politics.” Her husband Leonard Garment was acting special counsel to President Richard Nixon for the last two years of his presidency.
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Barr's contempt charge won't force Trump to give House Democrats what they want. Here's what might. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 OP
Kind of a Meandering Article DarthDem May 2019 #1
Exactly... see my analysis of the article below... hlthe2b May 2019 #3
Buried deep within this 24 paragraph article that reiterates what most of us know all too well... hlthe2b May 2019 #2
Zactly DarthDem May 2019 #4
Yeah, she under-delivers. lagomorph777 May 2019 #5
I don't see any Dems ready to move on wryter2000 May 2019 #6
Sponsor Mueller Report Talks Around The Country - In The Districts..... global1 May 2019 #7
It will be settled in the courts. Finding Barr in Contempt of Congress is the first step. Nitram May 2019 #8

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
1. Kind of a Meandering Article
Thu May 9, 2019, 11:13 AM
May 2019

Seems to want to help Democrats, but never does really get around to saying how, apart from the one line you quoted about "mobilizing public sentiment." I think this idea needed a little more development, perhaps in favor of some of the hand-wringing.

hlthe2b

(102,285 posts)
2. Buried deep within this 24 paragraph article that reiterates what most of us know all too well...
Thu May 9, 2019, 11:18 AM
May 2019

and after carefully reading to see if the author ever gets to the point of what she says "might work"...

I finally found what she puts forth as the 'solution'...

In short, as I said above, no clever technical trick will do the job. If Democrats try to fight the administration through procedural means alone, they’ll become mired in processes that will likely last well beyond the 2020 presidential election — which may be the Trump re-election. Instead, they have to do something harder: Mobilize public sentiment by refusing to “move on” from the Mueller report.


Gee, why didn't we think of that?

No insult intended to the OP--we are all looking for some wisdom on how to break the "logjam"... But damn. Did the author really think this was a "revelation" or is she just trying to get her 1,627 words to her editor?

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
4. Zactly
Thu May 9, 2019, 11:51 AM
May 2019

Lots of discussion about the Oh Noes paths for the Democrats, but the article is a little short on concrete ideas to pursue instead.

global1

(25,251 posts)
7. Sponsor Mueller Report Talks Around The Country - In The Districts.....
Thu May 9, 2019, 12:29 PM
May 2019

Educate the public on what the report is about and what it says about Trump, his minions; collusion with Russia and Obstruction of Justice. Educate the public.

Such talks will generate news stories in the districts and get air play on the local news shows.

Let the public know that the redacted parts of the Report - might even be more incriminating and Trump and the Repugs are holding that information back from the American People.

Get the American People behind a movement to get the full Report - totally unredacted. Pressure the Repugs. Remember there is a very important election coming up in 2020 and the more pressure that can be placed on the Repugs - the more likely it is that some of the Repugs in Congress will have a change of heart and urge for the release of the whole Report.

Let the American People organize marches for the Full Report. Continue to keep the pressure on Trump and the Repugs.

Trump, Barr, McConnell and the Repugs want the Report to go away. Case closed. The Dems can't let the Report go away. They must keep the Report prominent in the eyes of the American People.

It is pressure like this on Trump and the Repugs and it is the education of the American People - that will lead to a call for impeachment.

I would also urge the Dems to start talking about Trump Supporters walking out of his rallies. Interview people that walked out. Get the MSM to air footage of the people leaving his rallies.

I'm sure there are other ideas of what could be done to continue to keep the pressure on Trump and the Repugs.

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