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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:44 PM Jul 2020

Ronald Reagan Wasn't the Good Guy President Anti-Trump Republicans Want You to Believe In

History has a way of repeating itself, making the passage of time feel like riding a nauseating carousel. In this spinning spiral, we are constantly asked to descend into the past, to revisit familiar faces of evil, and, too often, to remember them for their good, not their bad. Historical revisionism is, in short, not cute!

The carousel of history really threw me for a loop this week as a new ad attacking President Donald Trump asked viewers to compare the 45th president unfavorably to the 40th, Ronald Reagan. Unsurprisingly, a bunch of Republicans want us to remember the movie star turned president as an emblem of American greatness and contrast to the reality star turned president.

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Where to even begin? First, I guess, let me acknowledge that Reagan — who spent nearly 30 years acting before moving into politics — sure could talk pretty on camera. The former actor’s charisma was a hugely consequential part of his appeal in the ’80s, 20 years after television had altered presidential elections forever. And that charisma, in turn, helped Reagan capitalize on the conditions that gave way to his landslide victory over Democratic president Jimmy Carter in the election that took place the day after the “Shining City on a Hill” address now being used to attack Trump.

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Reagan was the first Republican elected after Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace following the Watergate scandal. The GOP needed someone like him: a charismatic, TV-ready smooth-talker who could turn the economic dissatisfaction of the last year of Carter’s presidency into a reason to vote red. But despite what the Republican Voters Against Trump might want you to believe, Reagan’s economic model — Reaganomics, as it came to be known — is exactly what Trump has been pushing for years.

It’s difficult to boil an entire administration’s worth of economic policy down to a few words, but for a working definition of Reaganomics, let’s look at a few key features of Reagan’s policies: cutting taxes (especially for the rich) for trickle-down economics, cutting social welfare spending, increasing military spending, and deregulating economic activity in the name of “free” markets. Reagan’s path to American greatness meant making rich people pay less in taxes, giving poor people less help, building the imperial forces he used in foreign policy, and making life easier for the capitalist class.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ronald-reagan-bad-president-anti-trump-republicans

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Ronald Reagan Wasn't the Good Guy President Anti-Trump Republicans Want You to Believe In (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 OP
He was a Hollywood actor. He could play any part that accelerated his appeal. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #1
St. Ronnie of Reagan was bigot who launched his campaign of dog whistles... EarnestPutz Jul 2020 #2
No, he was an asshole. But the Never-Trumpers are cleverly using the memory The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #3
You got it-- this is simple propaganda. It makes no difference what Reagan... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #8
Wasn't so obviously demented...at first Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #12
Of course non-Republicans have always known that Raygun was a piece of shit. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #13
This article is from Teen Vogue? Ohiogal Jul 2020 #4
Exactly. Trump is Reagan minus the acting ability Raven123 Jul 2020 #5
... and many IQ points RainCaster Jul 2020 #7
And Reagan was Trump with better PR and better tailoring. Aristus Jul 2020 #15
Reagan indirectly created Fox News cyclonefence Jul 2020 #6
Agreed he began the decline that has led us where we are today matt819 Jul 2020 #9
Also very anti women, pushed religion into politics, anti abortion and anti contraceptive. katmondoo Jul 2020 #10
Raised taxes on workers Nululu Jul 2020 #11
Ignored the AIDS crisis, murielm99 Jul 2020 #14
Creating crack epidemic. Iran-Contra scandal Nululu Jul 2020 #16
Secret deal with the Iranians to release the American hostages murielm99 Jul 2020 #17
Accepts the briefing book murielm99 Jul 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Jul 2020 #19
THIS. roamer65 Jul 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #21

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
1. He was a Hollywood actor. He could play any part that accelerated his appeal.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jul 2020

He hoodwinked an entire generation. (for the most part)

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
2. St. Ronnie of Reagan was bigot who launched his campaign of dog whistles...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jul 2020

....in the home of the KKK, hid his racism behind platitudes about immigrants and whose foreign policy was best characterized by his goal of building a 600 ship Navy so he could rattle sabres in the Caribbean.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
3. No, he was an asshole. But the Never-Trumpers are cleverly using the memory
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jul 2020

of St. Ronnie the Great to persuade those GOP voters who haven't become hopelessly-brainwashed MAGAts that Trump is the opposite of Reagan (even though he really wasn't, he just had better manners and wasn't so obviously demented).

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. You got it-- this is simple propaganda. It makes no difference what Reagan...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jul 2020

really was, just the image of what he was.

And this isn't aimed at us, it's aimed at conservatives and Trumpons who believe in St. Ronnie, or at least the myth.

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
12. Wasn't so obviously demented...at first
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jul 2020

At the end he could hardly put two words together, let alone a sentence

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Of course non-Republicans have always known that Raygun was a piece of shit.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jul 2020

But that's not important here. If never-Trumpers can use his fake iconic image as a tool to bring down Trump, by all means they should go for it.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
6. Reagan indirectly created Fox News
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:10 PM
Jul 2020

by getting rid of the Equal Time regulation.

Also removed restrictions on how many minutes of advertising could be sold per hour of TV and paved the way for children's public TV shows to create show-related merchandise.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
9. Agreed he began the decline that has led us where we are today
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:30 PM
Jul 2020

But if his words can be used against trump, I’m all for it. And I thought that video was excellent in that regard. That said, the cultists don’t care. Trump could shoot their grannies at one of his Nuremberg rallies and he’d still get their votes (though he’d lose the grannies).

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
10. Also very anti women, pushed religion into politics, anti abortion and anti contraceptive.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jul 2020

Graham was his favorite Preacher. I wrote him a letter at the time and told him to do his presidential thing and stay out of women's affairs. He got back at me later when I applied for Social Security.

Nululu

(842 posts)
11. Raised taxes on workers
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jul 2020

Eliminated deductions for interest payments except mortgages, decreased medical and work related deductions and taxed Social Security, taxed disability payments.

Cut taxes to rich while increasing taxes for workers and middle class.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
18. Accepts the briefing book
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jul 2020

that George Will stole from the Carter debate team. An honest person would have refused to look at it, or returned it without looking at it.

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