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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Thu May 3, 2012, 06:04 PM May 2012

Japan's Nightmare Fight Against Radiation: lots of good info. about extent of problem

about what is happening at the reactors
and the difficulty in "fixing" any of it.

For instance, I did not know:
"The reactor core ( #4) contains approximately 100 tons of uranium.
The pool for spent fuel at reactor #4 contains approximately 2.5 times that amount of spent fuel . .
approximately 250 tons.
And besides that, there is fuel that has not yet been spentt.
So, in all, the amount of fuel must be around 300 tons. That is 4,000 times the size of the Hiroshima atomic bomb.
Spent fuel is a huge mass of nuclear reaction product.
Keeping it at the bottom of the pool allows it to be cooled. At the same time, radiation is blocked."

except in #4, it is exposed.
http://japanfocus.org/events/view/136

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Japan's Nightmare Fight Against Radiation: lots of good info. about extent of problem (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl May 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #1
ty for rec. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #2
Yeah - but if you want something to stick around xchrom May 2012 #3
It's hard to tell RobertEarl May 2012 #4
More info RobertEarl May 2012 #5
It's not an oops - it's throwing dead cats into your basement until something happens... saras May 2012 #6
A dark dirty secret RobertEarl May 2012 #8
knr... send in DU's nuke power supporters to fix problem. chknltl May 2012 #7
Should Reactor 4's spent pool fuel go, time to move to the Southern Hemisphere Octafish May 2012 #9
Damn..that means Alabama is not far enough south... dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #10
It's the plutonium... Octafish May 2012 #11
"It's like they want to rid the planet of radioactive waste via human beings " dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #12
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2012 #13

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. ty for rec.
Thu May 3, 2012, 08:39 PM
May 2012

I know good reads is not exactly over populated with eyes..
but the linked site is terribly informative.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
3. Yeah - but if you want something to stick around
Thu May 3, 2012, 08:56 PM
May 2012

This is the place for it.

I certainly go through Good Reads.

Good find!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. It's hard to tell
Thu May 3, 2012, 09:22 PM
May 2012

...just what is going on there at #4.

Did the fuel pool lose water and overheat? The building housing the reactor and pool had it's walls blown out and burned along with the roof. What remains is a skeleton of a building.

As far as i can tell the reactor had just been emptied and the spent fuel was stored in the pool along with the new fuel which was to be placed in the reactor. So basically we had a situation where by there was no containment at all for the new fuel.

In the other reactors the fuel melted and burned through containment into the ground. There have been signs that the fuel is contacting groundwater and steam is rising to the surface carrying radiation into the atmosphere.

The greatest of all these great concerns tho, is back at the fuel pool at #4. It is perched 100 feet high and an earthquake could bring it down and the hot rods therein would enter into a runaway condition.

Sen. Wyden D-Oregon, has noticed this and is sounding the alarm.

Here is a webcam of the reactors. On the left and nearest is #1, then #2, #3, then #4. #3 is that crumpled mess, and you can just barely make out the skeleton of #4.
http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asx

Link to Wyden's alarm:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=635358

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. More info
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:05 PM
May 2012

Fukushima Daiichi site: Cesium-137 is 85 times greater than at Chernobyl accident.

"Japan’s former Ambassador to Switzerland, Mr. Mitsuhei Murata, was invited to speak at the Public Hearing of the Budgetary Committee of the House of Councilors on March 22, 2012, on the Fukushima nuclear power plants accident. Before the Committee, Ambassador Murata strongly stated that if the crippled building of reactor unit 4 - with 1,535 fuel rods in the spent fuel pool 100 feet (30 meters) above the ground - collapses, not only will it cause a shutdown of all six reactors but will also affect the common spent fuel pool containing 6,375 fuel rods, located some 50 meters from reactor 4. In both cases the radioactive rods are not protected by a containment vessel; dangerously, they are open to the air. This would certainly cause a global catastrophe like we have never before experienced. He stressed that the responsibility of Japan to the rest of the world is immeasurable. Such a catastrophe would affect us all for centuries. Ambassador Murata informed us that the total numbers of the spent fuel rods at the Fukushima Daiichi site excluding the rods in the pressure vessel is 11,421 (396+615+566+1,535+994+940+6375).

I asked top spent-fuel pools expert Mr. Robert Alvarez, former Senior Policy Adviser to the Secretary and Deputy Assistant Secretary for National Security and the Environment at the U.S. Department of Energy, for an explanation of the potential impact of the 11,421 rods.

I received an astounding response from Mr. Alvarez :

In recent times, more information about the spent fuel situation at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site has become known. It is my understanding that of the 1,532 spent fuel assemblies in reactor No. 304 assemblies are fresh and unirradiated. This then leaves 1,231 irradiated spent fuel rods in pool No. 4, which contain roughly 37 million curies (~1.4E+18 Becquerel) of long-lived radioactivity. The No. 4 pool is about 100 feet above ground, is structurally damaged and is exposed to the open elements. If an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire involving nearly 10 times the amount of Cs-137 released by the Chernobyl accident.

The infrastructure to safely remove this material was destroyed as it was at the other three reactors. Spent reactor fuel cannot be simply lifted into the air by a crane as if it were routine cargo. In order to prevent severe radiation exposures, fires and possible explosions, it must be transferred at all times in water and heavily shielded structures into dry casks.. As this has never been done before, the removal of the spent fuel from the pools at the damaged Fukushima-Dai-Ichi reactors will require a major and time-consuming re-construction effort and will be charting in unknown waters. Despite the enormous destruction cased at the Da-Ichi site, dry casks holding a smaller amount of spent fuel appear to be unscathed.

Based on U.S. Energy Department data, assuming a total of 11,138 spent fuel assemblies are being stored at the Dai-Ichi site, nearly all, which is in pools. They contain roughly 336 million curies (~1.2 E+19 Bq) of long-lived radioactivity. About 134 million curies is Cesium-137 - roughly 85 times the amount of Cs-137 released at the Chernobyl accident as estimated by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection (NCRP). The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants (~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel).

It is important for the public to understand that reactors that have been operating for decades, such as those at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site have generated some of the largest concentrations of radioactivity on the planet."

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Copied from:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=639365

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
6. It's not an oops - it's throwing dead cats into your basement until something happens...
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:58 PM
May 2012

"It is important for the public to understand that reactors that have been operating for decades, such as those at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site have generated some of the largest concentrations of radioactivity on the planet."

That is to say, they've been collecting radioactive waste on-site for decades and not doing jack shit to deal with it, because it's expensive.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
8. A dark dirty secret
Sat May 5, 2012, 10:33 AM
May 2012

The accumulation of this deadly garbage in temporary holding tanks is the story of our time because it is coming back to bite us.

If we survive this we will be paying big $$ to clean all of it up.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Should Reactor 4's spent pool fuel go, time to move to the Southern Hemisphere
Sat May 5, 2012, 01:06 PM
May 2012

As much cesium released as in all the nuclear detonations in history at one time:

Fukushima Fuel Pool Endangers Northern Hemisphere

Thank you for a most important OP, dixiegrrrrl.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. It's the plutonium...
Sat May 5, 2012, 09:13 PM
May 2012

...gets bad press for a good reason: A Public Service Announcement on Plutonium



DOE-STD-1128-98

Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities


EXCERPT...

4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination
There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many
potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire
to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) [font color="green"]The one characteristic that many believe is
unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from
alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or
removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area
[/font color].

SOURCE (PDF file format): http://www.hss.doe.gov/nuclearsafety/techstds/docs/standard/DOE-STD-1128-2008.pdf



Then, there's all the other stuff that's not fit for human or beast, cesium, americium, etc etc etc...It's like they want to rid the planet of radioactive waste via human beings ingesting the stuff.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. "It's like they want to rid the planet of radioactive waste via human beings "
Sat May 5, 2012, 09:21 PM
May 2012

Mother Nature is so much more clever than I thought.
or
as I used to say to my kids..
"You spilled it, you clean it up"

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