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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Mon May 21, 2012, 08:33 PM May 2012

Rubio in a paroxysm of lunacy calls Obama


Well, there's no doubt about it. The Repblicans like their nut-jobs. And Marco Rubio is out to prove he can out nut-job them all. Over the week-end he called Obama the "most ‘divisive’ political figure in U.S. history" ...http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/20/marco-rubio-obama-most-divisive-political-figure-in-u-s-history/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed28The+Raw+Story)

Gosh Marco, aren't you just a bit concerned that even in Republican circles you might be thought to be pushing the propaganda envelope a little too far?

I mean noting that the tax code has been perverted to the point that one quarter of U.S. millionaires are paying less than some middle income people..... that is supposed to make Obama divisive?

Is Obama divisive because he quite correctly characterized the Ryan "budget" as thinly veiled Social Darwinism because it exacts massive cuts to much needed social programs (especially during this current Republican Economic Dystopia) without any rational adjustment to the tax rates of the wealthiest Americans - at a time when income tax rates are the lowest in 50 years?

NOting that the largest part of the population is getting sucked dry for the further aggrandisement of the wealthiest in the nation is not divisive. But I guess you would prefer Obama, among others, did not inform us 'little' people of how much the GOP makes suckers of us to the benefit of the already wealthy and powerful - in order to earn from them your 'gratuities'.

I guess your crazy like a fox, though. Crazy enough and crafty enough to keep using demonization and demagoguery to work for you - and to our great disadvantage.

Yeah, Obama is a divisive figure, just like you are a real hero and a man of the people.



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Rubio in a paroxysm of lunacy calls Obama (Original Post) Bill USA May 2012 OP
Obama is divisive RobertEarl May 2012 #1
I disagree.... lib2DaBone May 2012 #2
taking the obvious, necessary steps to avert total disaster from the Trickle Down Disaster, i.e. a Bill USA May 2012 #3
"a paroxysm of lunacy" that's about right! Good Post. recommended. JohnWxy May 2012 #4
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. Obama is divisive
Mon May 21, 2012, 08:45 PM
May 2012

It is true.

This president, being not so thinly veiled and being so overt as to be covert in his attempt to steer the country in a course abhorrent to a minority of the American people in a manner which leaves them confounded and muttering to themselves in undertones of racism and hate and utter frustration has divided many away from their previous senility.

Rubio has recognized these facts and is rightfully upset.

Obama has divided some republicans from their own party.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
2. I disagree....
Mon May 21, 2012, 09:55 PM
May 2012

I think Mr. Obama (who is not overt) has steered the country into a course that is abhorent to a MAJORITY of American people.

As to your second Meme.. Marco Rubio is a POS....

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
3. taking the obvious, necessary steps to avert total disaster from the Trickle Down Disaster, i.e. a
Tue May 22, 2012, 05:35 PM
May 2012

Total Collapse of ours and then the world economy on a scale that would have been worse than the Great Depression - is NOT 'steering the country' in ANY course. It's just trying to avert economic disaster. Thus Obama continued the TARP, after it was initiated by Bush and then tried to stimulate the economy to keep this Republican Dystopia from worsening into a full blown, bread-lines and soup kitchens depression like the Great Depression (I). This is not 'steering' any kind of a course. This was not a policy decision. It was taking emergency action which, as I said, was begun by Bush.

Pointing out that the tax code has been perverted to the advantage of the wealthy and that the middle class is over-taxed does not make anybody 'divisive'. The policies of the Republican (Corporate Lobbyist) Party are what is divisive -- and which lead to the Trickle Down Disaster (along with the other Repub favorite: Deregulation).

When the greatest part of the population is getting less and less of the economic pie, you find that demand for the goods and services that companies would like to sell them begins to wane. The Bush administration addressed the symptom of the underlying pathology by inflating the money supply - thus bringing down interest rates. This was to boost demand by facilitating consumers taking on ever larger amounts of debt.

But easy credit masks the pathology for only so long. Eventually, demand is just not enough to create the sales needed to maintain full employment and the economy starts going into decline. Of course, the Deregulation mania brought about the transition from artificial prosperity to disaster much more quickly - such that there WAS no transition. We went from phony prosperity to disaster almost in the blink of an eye. Lack of regulation (esp. of mortgage lending -see Predatory Lenders Partner in Crime ) and making Credit Default Swaps trading legal AND UNREGULATED (see Commodities Futures Modernization Act; Phil Gramm) was instrumental in creating the housing bubble which lead to the Credit Collapse which exploded the whole myth of prosperity in the 2000-2008 period.

When Obama says the economy works better when more people get to share more of the benefits, he is making a clinical and correct statement. The reason our economy went on a massive growth spurt after World War II which lasted decades was in large part due to the fact that labor unions won wage concessions from employers. NOt only union people gained in income but non-union people gained too as their employers were in competition for the same workers. The increased incomes of middle and low income people resulted in massive growth in demand for the goods and services companies wanted to sell. As companies sold more product, they needed more people and hired more people. And demand grew more with increasing employment.

The GOP likes to say entrepreneurs create jobs causing employment increases and growth of the economy. But Steven Jobs, to cite one example, would never have sold as many I-Pads if millions of people did not have enough disposable income to buy his products. When you increase the number of people with adequate incomes (i.e. with some disposable income left over after paying for necessities) you create a much larger market for producers products. And with a larger market, manufacturers can sell more product and begin to enjoy economies of scale - resulting in lower prices for the product. With lower prices then more people can buy the products and sales grow some more. But it starts with having a large part of the population earning adequate enough incomes to produce disposable incomes for purchase of more than just the necessities of life.

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