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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,192 posts)
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:10 PM May 2021

Republicans Want to Overturn Roe v. Wade, and They May Soon Be Able To

Growing up during the 1980s and 1990s, my second-wave feminist mother, writer Erica Jong, was obsessed with Roe v. Wade. Born in 1942, she came of age in a world without safe legal abortion. She knew what was at stake with the 1973 ruling that protected a woman’s right to choose “without excessive government restriction.” Roe v. Wade was a huge victory for my mother’s generation. They could point to the Supreme Court decision as something tangible they did; their blood and sweat had changed the calculus of women’s lives. “No more women will die of back-alley abortions,” my mother would say. “No more wire hangers.”

When Trump came down that gold escalator on June 16, 2015, to announce his presidential run, there was speculation that a thrice-married adulterer might even be pro-choice. But that was before he said, “There has to be some form of punishment for abortion.” Trump even said that he would install two Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade, telling the polymaths at Fox & Friends, “It’s certainly possible. And maybe they do it in a different way. Maybe they’d give it back to the states. You just don’t know what’s going to happen.”

The irony is, Roe v. Wade is popular. A NPR/PBS poll released in 2019 showed that 77% of Americans believed that the Supreme Court should uphold Roe v. Wade. And making abortion illegal doesn’t actually prevent it. As Zara Ahmed writes, “Abortion rates are actually four times higher in low-income countries where abortion is prohibited than in high-income countries where it is broadly legal.”

This week, the dynamic in this long debate took on new dimensions when the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case that could and likely will result in the overturning of Roe v. Wade. The case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, is a chance for the Supreme Court to rule on the Mississippi law that forbids abortions after 15 weeks. The law was largely created in order to be kicked up to the Supreme Court and give conservatives the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade. Previously, it had ruled that bans on abortion before viability—about 24 weeks—were unconstitutional. A decision here would open the door to other conservative states being able to ban abortion.

https://www.vogue.com/article/abortion-supreme-court

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Republicans Want to Overturn Roe v. Wade, and They May Soon Be Able To (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP
Forcing women to carry to term violates women's 13th Amendment Rights. CrispyQ May 2021 #1
there's no magical argument qazplm135 May 2021 #2
I don't think this is the case they will decide. I think it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in positive jimfields33 May 2021 #3
George Catkin said it BEST about Conservative Pro-Lifers ProudMNDemocrat May 2021 #4
The stupidest thing they could do is overturn it hurple May 2021 #5
Well then, these Karma13612 May 2021 #7
Preach it! hurple May 2021 #8
VERY TRUE! Karma13612 May 2021 #10
They still have guns for a voting issue. LiberatedUSA May 2021 #9
But guns aren't as polarizing an issue... hurple May 2021 #11
Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein are very happy with this result LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #6

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
1. Forcing women to carry to term violates women's 13th Amendment Rights.
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:14 PM
May 2021

I wish the pro-choice groups would add this argument to their toolbox.

Abortion and the 13th Amendment
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion

Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers

snip...

I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6

Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.


~more at link

Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body than her child who has been born?

THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION A WOMAN CAN MAKE ISN'T YOURS.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
2. there's no magical argument
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:39 PM
May 2021

that will convince anti abortion folks, or get the folks who don't care to care.

we simply need to do better at caring about elections all of the time, at every level.

This was always a possible result, but we had too many say they weren't voting for Clinton just because of the courts because she wasn't progressive enough.

jimfields33

(15,952 posts)
3. I don't think this is the case they will decide. I think it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in positive
Mon May 24, 2021, 02:46 PM
May 2021

Direction. I think one will be taken seriously but not Mississippi with one abortion clinic in the state. Obviously I could be wrong. I just have a bunch Robert’s Gorsuch and beer drinker (I seriously can’t remember his name) won’t do it yet.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,789 posts)
4. George Catkin said it BEST about Conservative Pro-Lifers
Mon May 24, 2021, 03:26 PM
May 2021

"If you are pre-born , we love you.

But if you are Pre-K, poor, need food, housing, and an education, you're FUCKED "

Sums up the Conservatives quite well.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
5. The stupidest thing they could do is overturn it
Mon May 24, 2021, 03:58 PM
May 2021

Because a huge swath of their base are single-issue voters, and that issue is banning abortions.

If they actually do it, those single-issue voters have no more reason to vote for them.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
7. Well then, these
Wed May 26, 2021, 09:25 AM
May 2021

Sharia-theocratic GQP anti-women, anti-choice facists better be careful what they wish for.

They have the SCOTUS they wished for and worked for, for so long. They got their criminal orange nut-job for a full term to set things just so.

If the SCOTUS does overturn Roe v. Wade and they effectually take away the GQP’s campaign issue, then so be it for them. We’ll see. THEY CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

BUT: just to be clear:

The thought of going back to pre-RVW scares the living b’jezus out of me. I was protected for nearly the whole of it’s existence. Now that my ‘bun-warmer’ is closed, I can stop worry for myself. But I still lose sleep over the millions of gals whose lives will change as we march ever closer to Gilead.

Vote!!

hurple

(1,306 posts)
8. Preach it!
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:30 AM
May 2021

Agree with every word you said, even though I personally never had a "bun warmer".

If they overturn Roe vs Wade, it will energize the left the same way it has been energizing the right... No, on second thought, I think it will energize the left even more, because it will prove one and for all, forever, that the right WILL take away rights and that they WILL legislate morality just like we have always claimed they would only to be called paranoid chicken-littles.



 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
9. They still have guns for a voting issue.
Wed May 26, 2021, 02:08 PM
May 2021

However, I doubt MOST gun control, the real society changing bills, won’t pass this court. I don’t see this court allowing an assault weapon ban, ESPECIALLY if it doesn’t include a clause that people can keep what they already bought and aren’t forced to sell “back” the the government (never understood that wording, because gun stores are not owned by the government).

I realize they just recently turned away the ban on bump stocks, but that is different. Most gunners don’t care about them and that allowed the justices to pretend to be bipartisan in turning the case away. They will stop a semi-auto ban in its tracks either 5-4 or 6-3.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,554 posts)
6. Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein are very happy with this result
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:33 PM
May 2021

Control of the SCOTUS and the future of Roe was on the ballot in 2016 but these two idiots wanted to help elect the former guy

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