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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,884 posts)
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:21 PM Sep 2021

McConnell has given Democrats the justification they need to kill the filibuster

News flash: The Grand Old Party, also known as the Deadbeat Republican Party, is unwilling to pay the bills and ready to turn off the lights in America. No principles here; this is all about politics — no matter the consequences of this deliberately inflicted economic crisis with a global pandemic and multiple natural disasters as a backdrop.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) pronounced that no Republican would cast a vote to increase the debt ceiling. That moved the goal post, because he’s effectively threatening a filibuster if 10 Senate Republicans do not join Democrats to advance the measure. With classic McConnell cynicism, he declared that the government must pay its bills while announcing that Republicans won’t sign the checks. That was the reveal. Not to be outdone, every single House Republican voted against both increasing the debt limit and keeping the government running when funding runs out on Oct. 1.

Just as Republicans have fallen in line with the “big lie” about the 2020 election, undermining confidence in our democracy and its constitutional norms, they are now prepared to set fire to the entire house by tanking our economy. But this despicable move can give Democrats exactly the ammunition they need — a genuine, defensible justification for eliminating the filibuster.

Democrats should call McConnell’s bluff. Kill the filibuster, raise the debt ceiling to pay our bills, fund the U.S. government. And then be free to move on and pass the broader agenda that the majority of voters want.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/25/mcconnell-has-given-democrats-justification-they-need-kill-filibuster/

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McConnell has given Democrats the justification they need to kill the filibuster (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
YES YES YES, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #1
Sinema and Manchin are too stubborn, but it is clear that as soon as we have the votes, it will ColinC Sep 2021 #2
You may have misspelled $tubborn FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #5
Oh shoot, you're right! Gotta watch my typos ColinC Sep 2021 #11
Unless they actually do kill the filibuster than no, he hasn't... PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #3
Certain ones have indeed gotten the ju$tification they need. . . FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #4
Do it. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #6
I feel like McConnell has been doing his best for months to force the dems Bev54 Sep 2021 #7
The latter. IMO. Missn-Hitch Sep 2021 #9
the fossilized turtle is not the damn boss ! get rid of his favorite play toy ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #8
Tell that to Manchin and Sinema. Kablooie Sep 2021 #10
They are already doing it, we don't have majority in the Senate, we have republicans disguising Escurumbele Sep 2021 #21
There is no other choice, Dems can't let the default happen. Jon King Sep 2021 #12
They already killed the real filibuster, anyway. raging moderate Sep 2021 #13
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4 makes it unconstitutional not to pay our bills. Gore1FL Sep 2021 #14
It's too bad ejection from the Senate requires 2/3rds HariSeldon Sep 2021 #15
But not the courage... ramapo Sep 2021 #16
Only problem now is the repug infiltrators. rickyhall Sep 2021 #17
It's a nice thought, and all... NullTuples Sep 2021 #18
To the Dems who refuse to get rid of the filibuster because they think they may need it sometime .. BlueKentuckyGirl Sep 2021 #19
But the Democrats will not get rid of the filibuster, Manchin and Sinema will not allow it Escurumbele Sep 2021 #20

ColinC

(8,286 posts)
2. Sinema and Manchin are too stubborn, but it is clear that as soon as we have the votes, it will
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:26 PM
Sep 2021

probably happen.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. Unless they actually do kill the filibuster than no, he hasn't...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:31 PM
Sep 2021

as it will be apparent some haven't gotten the justification they need.

LudwigPastorius

(9,130 posts)
6. Do it.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:24 PM
Sep 2021

When the GOP threatens to grab the wheel and steer the global economy off a cliff, you do the responsible thing and open a door and kick them out of the car.

What say you, Schumer?

Bev54

(10,045 posts)
7. I feel like McConnell has been doing his best for months to force the dems
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:36 PM
Sep 2021

to kill the filibuster, not sure what his objective is. He either wants the dems to kill the filibuster or he wants to prove to them he has Sinema and Manchin in his back pocket which gives him the ability to do whatever the hell he wants.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
10. Tell that to Manchin and Sinema.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:56 PM
Sep 2021

Never gonna happen with Dem's tiny majority.

I really fear that the GOP is going to get away with rigging the system and turn the whole government into a permanent totalitarian conservative regime. Those two senators don't seem to care.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
21. They are already doing it, we don't have majority in the Senate, we have republicans disguising
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:18 AM
Sep 2021

themselves as Democrats, Manchin and Sinema.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
12. There is no other choice, Dems can't let the default happen.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:05 AM
Sep 2021

Don't see how there is any choice unless McConnell is bluffing to see if he can get some concessions. If the default happens the Dems will lose the House and Senate in a year. Not sure how that helps Manchin and Sinema.

raging moderate

(4,297 posts)
13. They already killed the real filibuster, anyway.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:25 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Tue Sep 28, 2021, 08:29 AM - Edit history (1)

This rule they are calling a filibuster is really very different from the original rule which required the person declaring a filibuster to actually put time, effort, and physical endurance into his objection by continually addressing the Senate. This current procedure cannot even be called a pale imitation.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
14. Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4 makes it unconstitutional not to pay our bills.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:32 AM
Sep 2021
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Attempts to not pay are Unconstitutional.

HariSeldon

(455 posts)
15. It's too bad ejection from the Senate requires 2/3rds
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:52 AM
Sep 2021

Because trying to violate the 14th Amendment certainly violates a Senator's oath of office. I wonder if there is any way to apply a criminal sanction based on failure to perform a sworn duty.

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
16. But not the courage...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:38 PM
Sep 2021

Republicans took that vote in a cynical, FU move which is based neither on policy or reason. But it seems that Democrats just can’t ever be pushed into doing what needs to be done. It’s pretty discouraging. Instead of taking action, they’re just going to let the government shut down. And later default too? All because of a baseless “respect” for a flawed and inappropriately used rule.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
18. It's a nice thought, and all...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:18 PM
Sep 2021

"Democrats should call McConnell’s bluff. Kill the filibuster"

But I think we all know by now they don't have the stomach for it.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(402 posts)
19. To the Dems who refuse to get rid of the filibuster because they think they may need it sometime ..
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:16 AM
Sep 2021

To the Dems who refuse to get rid of the filibuster because they think they may need it sometime in the future.... I've got news for you. If you don't end it now and pass the legislation that we all want you to pass, you won't get a chance ever again to use it when the Republicans take back the Senate. Mark my word, Mitch McConnell will eliminate the filibuster the minute he becomes Majority Leader again, if not because he wants to, then because it will make the Dems heads explode.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
20. But the Democrats will not get rid of the filibuster, Manchin and Sinema will not allow it
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:16 AM
Sep 2021

And...we don't have the numbers, we never won the Senate, not while those two are there.

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