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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:00 AM Dec 2021

'It became crystal clear they were lying': the man who made Germans admit complicity in Holocaust

‘It became crystal clear they were lying’: the man who made Germans admit complicity in the Holocaust

Dorian Lynskey
Thu 2 Dec 2021 11.00 EST


With Final Account, the late director Luke Holland set out to obtain testimonies from those who participated in the Nazi atrocities – before their voices were lost. The result is a powerful mix of shame, denial and ghastly pride


One day in 2018, the prolific documentary producer John Battsek received a call from Diane Weyermann of Participant Media, asking him if he would travel to the East Sussex village of Ditchling to meet a 69-year-old director named Luke Holland. Weyermann said that Holland had spent several years interviewing hundreds of Germans who were in some way complicit in the Holocaust, from those whose homes neighboured the concentration camps to former members of the Waffen SS. The responses he captured ran the gamut from shame to denial to a ghastly kind of pride. Now he wanted to introduce these testimonies to a mainstream audience, and he needed help.

“Luke wasn’t consciously making a film,” Battsek says. “He was amassing an archive that he hoped would have a role to play for generations to come. We had to turn it into something that has a beginning, a middle and an end.” As soon as he saw Holland’s footage, he knew it was important: “It presented an audience with a new way into this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/dec/02/it-became-crystal-clear-they-were-lying-the-man-who-made-germans-admit-complicity-in-the-holocaust


(With little light shined on the persistent issues of antisemitism we see today, the case for the documentarian such as this is even more prescient than ever.)

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jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
1. I watched this last nite
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:20 AM
Dec 2021

Very well done and powerful.

One tidbit that jumped out for me. One of the interviewees was talking about meeting an American liberator soldier, while in hospital (?) It wasn't exactly clear if he was in hospital, but he recalled the soldier shaking hands with people in beds, and asking if they were Nazis.

He wasn't sure how to respond, but admitted that he was. Then American soldier approved!

Goes to show that even after personally witnessing the atrocities committed, some saw nothing wrong with it.

We must be on guard against such people in our midst and never allow them to have this kind of power again.

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
2. People need to see real Nazis.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:21 AM
Dec 2021

Everybody thinks that you have to be Indiana Jones' creepy face-melting guy to be a real Nazi.

Real Nazis could be the congenial grandfather type next door.

jaxexpat

(6,832 posts)
3. Or Joe Kennedy or Henry Ford or Charles Lindberg. You know, regular hero types.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 11:52 AM
Dec 2021
Or maybe George Patton or Werner von Braun, Nazi's by incidental convenience.

Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
5. "We defeated the wrong enemy" -- George S. Patton
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 11:59 AM
Dec 2021

Meaning, we should have fought our Soviet allies rather than the Nazis.

PatSeg

(47,495 posts)
6. This movie is available on Netflix right now
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 12:03 PM
Dec 2021
"Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions."

Primo Levi, Italian Jewish chemist, partisan, Holocaust survivor and writer.

Sadly, this warning rings true today.

PatSeg

(47,495 posts)
8. I've added it to my list
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 12:45 PM
Dec 2021

It sounds like the filmmakers presented the Holocaust from a different viewpoint, one we are not accustomed to. The fact that so many involved appear to have no regrets or shame is absolutely horrifying. Meanwhile, I look around and see similar things happening again worldwide. Apparently, "Never again" really meant only for two or three generations.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
10. Yes. Charlottesville was an open attack on never again. For how long does bigotry fester?
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:06 PM
Dec 2021

They were young men that I saw, not old. They have a deep irrational hatred that grew in them, and that is what scares me about the future. It makes no sense, but to them, they see the other as evil.

PatSeg

(47,495 posts)
12. I am losing my faith in humanity overall
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:18 PM
Dec 2021

I suppose we could blame our educational system to some degree, as apparently a lot of young people know very little about World War II and the Holocaust. Still that doesn't explain the level of hatred and violence we are seeing all the time.

The other day it dawned on me that humans appear to be aliens on this planet. There are some who live in harmony with nature and one another, but far too many seem to be consistently destructive and irrational. I am amazed that our species didn't become extinct a long time ago.

appalachiablue

(41,142 posts)
9. Well done, I've watched the film. Last nite
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 01:36 PM
Dec 2021

I read the article and intended to post it today. You spared me some time, heh, although I want to post the video trailer somewhere.

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
13. And the series "Shoah" that was shown on PBS (?) in the 1990's. Actual interviews
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 04:35 PM
Dec 2021

with people who:
Drove the trains
Engineer who designed the camps and crematoriums,
etc.
Riveting.

Available on DVD from Netflix. I think it's 4 episodes but it could be 6.

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