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marble falls

(57,352 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 09:25 AM Dec 2021

The Pandemic Is Beating Putin

The Pandemic Is Beating Putin
Dec. 8, 2021, 1:00 a.m. ET

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/opinion/covid-russia-putin.html

By Alexey Kovalev

Mr. Kovalev is the investigations editor at Meduza, an independent Russian news outlet.

A deadly virus can’t be ignored, jailed, exiled or co-opted — nor can it be locked down without great economic cost. That puts President Vladimir Putin of Russia in a bind. The pandemic, perhaps his hardiest foe to date, has starkly revealed the limits of his power.

The past several weeks have been especially painful. Daily infections in the country have hovered around 35,000 — while the official figures, probably undercounted, record over a thousand deaths each day. (And that’s before the Omicron variant, newly found in Russia, circulates widely.) The misery is largely due to the low vaccination rate in the country: After a nearly yearlong campaign, only 41 percent of the country’s people are fully vaccinated, a lower number than in Laos or Cape Verde.

The Kremlin has itself to blame. Given Russia’s intellectual, administrative and technological capacities, a successful vaccine rollout should have been possible. Instead, the authorities fatally eroded the public’s trust with conflicting messaging — oscillating between triumphalism and scaremongering — and haphazardly applied containment measures.

The result is a mistrustful, skeptical public — the latest poll from the Levada Center, an independent polling company, puts vaccine hesitancy at 36 percent — and a growing anti-vaccine movement that, headed by previously regime-friendly figures, is stirring up trouble. It’s not clear that Mr. Putin, usually adept at quashing sentiments not to his liking, can do much about it.

-snip- Well worth reading!

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The Pandemic Is Beating Putin (Original Post) marble falls Dec 2021 OP
riding a tiger. mopinko Dec 2021 #1
I wonder how their hospitals are coping? Doubt most are as robust or well equipped as ours. dutch777 Dec 2021 #2
He did send hundreds of ventilators Jared Kushner had commandeered from US hospitals. marble falls Dec 2021 #3
Actually mgardener Dec 2021 #11
Actually ... marble falls Dec 2021 #18
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #4
Frauds always fail when finally forced to confront reality zaj Dec 2021 #5
His power has always been based on propaganda Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #6
Have they tried waterboarding? jaxexpat Dec 2021 #13
Invading Ukraine might serve as a distraction IronLionZion Dec 2021 #7
Classic Machiavelli... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #9
History should provide a warning for Putin Postal Grunt Dec 2021 #20
Why... DemUnleashed Dec 2021 #8
That was my first thought. C Moon Dec 2021 #10
...And the winner of the 2021 Unintended Irony Award for What Goes Around Comes Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #12
Aren't there rumors about Putin being sick? FakeNoose Dec 2021 #14
The speculation is that Putin has Parkinson's disease peggysue2 Dec 2021 #19
I looked that up...yeah according to rumors Putin is sick Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #21
Lets be clear, putin, like the flushed turd, could care less how many citizens die of covid yaesu Dec 2021 #15
Under TFG Erda Dec 2021 #16
I get it, if I lived in Russia, not so sure I would want to let them inject me. Bev54 Dec 2021 #17
What would be the alternative? LisaL Dec 2021 #22
I am not here to give alternatives, just observing that I get their hesitation. Bev54 Dec 2021 #23

dutch777

(3,050 posts)
2. I wonder how their hospitals are coping? Doubt most are as robust or well equipped as ours.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:01 AM
Dec 2021

Surprised that Trump has not offered to send a shipment of hydrocloriquine and bleach on his jet.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
6. His power has always been based on propaganda
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:22 AM
Dec 2021

And targeted killings, political imprisoning and police violence.

None of that works on the virus.

jaxexpat

(6,862 posts)
13. Have they tried waterboarding?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:58 AM
Dec 2021

Most don't realize that was TFG 's brilliant plan. Waterboarding the virus in an invermectin-hydrochloroquine solution
100% effectiveness in laboratory tests.
And if you think that's not I've got some swamp land in Arizona you need to look at.

IronLionZion

(45,562 posts)
7. Invading Ukraine might serve as a distraction
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:28 AM
Dec 2021

then blame the economic fallout on foreign sanctions instead of domestic failures.

Wounded Bear

(58,737 posts)
9. Classic Machiavelli...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:39 AM
Dec 2021

foreign adventures used to distract the domestic populace away from problems.

Authoritarianism 101

Postal Grunt

(218 posts)
20. History should provide a warning for Putin
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 02:16 PM
Dec 2021

The number of Russian troops stationed in the area around the Ukraine is estimated to be at about 95,000 or so. In this era of the pandemic, Putin's generals should be warning him about the dangers of concentrating so many in close quarters. Military history can point to examples of disease being one of the greatest dangers to troops because they are required to work at close quarters where conditions aren't anywhere near sanitary. The US Civil War is one such example where 63% of Union troops and 66% of Confederacy troops died from disease rather than in combat. Another would be WW 1 where the "Spanish Flu" caused hospitalization and fatality rates such that for every US combat death there were twelve deaths from influenza, totaling 45,000 in all. It's not inconceivable that the spread of the delta and omicron covid variants among the massed troops could be a self inflicted wound that depletes Russia's effectiveness in any military action.

Ford_Prefect

(7,925 posts)
12. ...And the winner of the 2021 Unintended Irony Award for What Goes Around Comes
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:28 AM
Dec 2021

Around is Vladimir Putin for his rendition of "What Kind of Fool Am I?"

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
14. Aren't there rumors about Putin being sick?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:03 PM
Dec 2021

I don't know if he's had Covid, but there were rumors last year. He's got some kind of debilitating disease that isn't bad yet, but it will get progressively worse. I'm too lazy to google it, but I know I read that last year. There has been speculation that Pootie will be stepping back in a few years. Does anybody remember seeing this?

peggysue2

(10,844 posts)
19. The speculation is that Putin has Parkinson's disease
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:19 PM
Dec 2021

The twitching, restless hands (someone noted this yesterday from footage of the Biden/Putin teleconference) and leg spasms have underscored the stories that Putin is in a bad way.

That being said, the rumors also had Putin stepping down this year. Hasn't happened.

So, it may simply be wishful thinking. But as the old saying goes: Be careful what you wish for. Putin is the devil we know. Hard to imagine his replacement being much better. Could be profoundly worse.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
21. I looked that up...yeah according to rumors Putin is sick
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:51 PM
Dec 2021

He claims he's isolating because some in his inner circle got the Covid. But he could be isolating to hide his illness too. The rumors are so bad his propaganda minister had to come out and say no he's not sick.

He's been rumored to have Parkinson's but some just think he caught long COVID.

The rumors stated in Aug 2021 and have persisted until this month.

Sounds like he's going ahead with his crazy plans and is delegating some power to his favorite oligarch. So maybe he is sick.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
15. Lets be clear, putin, like the flushed turd, could care less how many citizens die of covid
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:06 PM
Dec 2021

he only cares about power & money. Covid could & probably will further erode his economy which will cause greater harm to Russia's citizens than him. I doubt they will stand up against him as he has the military on his side, for now.

Erda

(107 posts)
16. Under TFG
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:14 PM
Dec 2021

The same might very well have happened here in the US.

Thank goodness for President Biden and the competence of his administration.

Bev54

(10,081 posts)
17. I get it, if I lived in Russia, not so sure I would want to let them inject me.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:17 PM
Dec 2021

Mistrust also comes from what they have done to people and murder comes from simple everyday things like drinking tea, falling from a balcony and injections.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
22. What would be the alternative?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:48 PM
Dec 2021

Sputnik V appears to be one of the most effective vaccines in the world. Yet Russians are reluctant to vaccinate and are dying from covid at over a 1,000 people per day. US also has over 1,000 per day dying, but US has larger population.

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