As U.S. pushes a shift toward electric cars, where should the chargers go?
The Biden administration sees the plug-in network as critical groundwork for cutting carbon emissions.Depeswar Doley has come up with a quip for the confused, and sometimes irked, drivers who stop by his longtime gas station while trying to buy gas.
Donning a bright smile and blue-striped RS Automotive shirt, he tries to disarm them with a chipper: Give me the money! Its almost my lunch time! That often nets a friendly expression as he explains, again, that heavy-duty electric plugs are all hes got.
Frustrated by the whims of gasoline suppliers and sensitive to his daughter Teresas environmentalism, Doley dug up his tanks and converted his Takoma Park, Md., station into an electric-vehicle charging pioneer two years ago, prompting a wave of headlines and inquiries from station owners from Seattle to New Orleans.
At lunch hour on a warm day this month, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg pulled up in a government-issued black Mustang Mach-E with Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, then plugged in. Its the latest in a stream of made-for-media moments that last year included a visit to Doleys station by Gov. Larry Hogan (R), who arrived to highlight state funding for the project.
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I think the shift to electric cars in the coming decade may revitalize retail shopping and dining; multiple charging stations at those locations would surely be a lure to encourage urban shoppers to spend their time and money while waiting for their vehicles to "top off".
Of course that outlook may change, if charging times can be reduced significantly; the new Lucid Air reportedly has demonstrated the capability to reach an almost full charge in about 20 minutes, and has a range of around 500 miles.
MiHale
(9,722 posts)Unless they outlaw gasoline or it becomes way too expensive. Ill never be able to afford one.
Im going to be 70 this June and live on my social security payment. Will have to wait till the used ones are available in 7-10 years. The transition is going to be rough or just downright impossible for some.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I'm not planning to drivea sewing machine either.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)I believe there are still a lot of early model Priuses on the road with their original batteries, and replacement costs are only around $2k or less.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Also, batteries are not the power source, they are only used for climate control with engine off & regen braking. Majority of energy comes from the engine.
Since battery is not primary energy source, a bit of degredation will only cause a bit less gas mileage.
Degredation only becomes problematic, eg. setting engine codes, when it its severely degraded.
Also, replaxement cost is a lot less because the battery is much smaller, about the size of a backpack vs. full electric cars which have lithium ion that covers the entire underside of the car.
Have you seen the recent video about guy who physically blew up Tesla because battery replacement cost was $22k?
Here is q link to an engineer discussing a Nissan Leaf a viewer sent him. Dead batteries. Useless.
Then there is the ridiculous matter of maskholes damaging charging stations & blocking access by parking trailers, etc. In front of them. but that's a separate matter, obviously.
Hopefully technology will evolve to make this doable for everyone, but I'm not holding my breath.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)For a real world comparison my 7 year old Model S max mileage at a full charge is 252 miles these days, down from the original 265 miles. That's only ~5%, so I'm thinking it will be quite a while before battery degradation personally becomes an issue.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty for sharing your experience!
MichMan
(11,929 posts)Just because you haven't had battery issues doesn't mean it can't happen to anyone else.
No different than someone concluding that because his Tesla needed a $22k battery, that they all will.
Zorro
(15,740 posts)In the "2020 Impact Report." Tesla reiterates high battery capacity retention (low degradation) in its electric cars.
According to the company's data, the average vehicle battery in Tesla should still have about 90% of its original capacity after 200,000 miles (322,000 km) of usage.
Assuming 250 miles per full cycle (just for illustrative purposes), it's also about 800 cycles with a degradation rate of 1% per 80 cycles (or a higher number of partial cycles).
That's a lot, especially since typically a car is scrapped after about 200,000 miles in the U.S. In Europe, it's 150,000 miles (241,000 km). Tesla's approach is to design the pack in such a way so they could outlast the car.
https://insideevs.com/news/525820/tesla-battery-capacity-retention-90/
Seems that my experience is not out of line with this report. I'd be interested in finding out if there are articles that dispute Tesla's assessment.
MichMan
(11,929 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Battery degredation is not linear either. They do not hold their value because of battery degredation & replacement cost.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)2 great videos.
Lettuce Be
(2,336 posts)We are nowhere near that point. Takes way too long to charge for one. Imagine pulling up to a electricity station and finding four cars in front of you? Not a problem for gas, but could take hours for electric, so that's not going to work.
We need cars that run on garbage like in "Back to the Future." Until then, I'll keep my hybrid. Best of both worlds.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)To all manner of crimes. Shootings & car jackings happen near me every week.
Leaving an elect car on a charger while shopping, eating, etc. would make it a maskhole target in many areas. You know, "them damned hippie cars."
Midnight Writer
(21,765 posts)Haven't seen a follow-up on that.
I think technical breakthroughs will explode in volume as the market grows.
It will not be technology that holds back the shift. It will be entrenched interests in "old tech", like fossil fuels and combustion engines.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)2.2 mill watts est. For a 75 kwh battery, assuming a totally run down battery & 100% charging efficiency.
MichMan
(11,929 posts)An attendant will be the only one that is permitted to plug the car in, operate the charger and must remain present until it is fully charged.