Study: Children fare better in traditional mom-dad families
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/10/study-children-fare-better-traditional-mom-dad-fam/Two studies released Sunday may act like brakes on popular social-science assertions that gay parents are the same as or maybe better than married, mother-father parents.
The empirical claim that no notable differences exist must go, Mark Regnerus, a sociology professor at the University of Texas at Austin, said in his study in Social Science Research.
Using a new, gold standard data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults, Mr. Regnerus looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional and relationship outcomes.
He found that, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)designed and carried out by one who WANTED that outcome.
I cry foul. Check out this guy's background.
Get thee gone.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)propaganda. Bullshit!
LAGC
(5,330 posts)Educate yourself as to your source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times
Ian David
(69,059 posts)First Look at Mark Regneruss Study on Children of Parents In Same-Sex Relationships
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The Studys Sample
On that score, there is one significant strength to this study which makes it stand out. Unlike prior studies, the New Family Structures Study (NFSS) is based on a national probability sampled population. This is the gold standard for all social science studies, and its extremely rare for a study to achieve that mark. As far as I am aware, all of the studies to date of gay and lesbian parenting use non-representative convenience samples. National probability samples, unlike convenience samples, are important because they alone can be generalized to the broader populations, to the extent that key characteristics in the design of the probability sample (demographics, etc.) match those of the general population. Convenience samples cant do that. (For more information on convenience samples versus national probability samples, click here.)
So why dont the other studies use national probability samples? Believe me, every researcher would much rather work with national probability samples instead of convenience samples. But virtually nobody can afford the huge cost of putting such a study together. It is a massive undertaking, and the cost of creating such a data set is just too prohibitive. Regnerus however has overcome this limitation (PDF: 74KB/12 pages) with a generous $695,000 grant from the Witherspoon Institute and a supplemental $90,000 grant from the Bradley Foundation. With more than three quarters of a million dollars, he has the kind of funding that other researchers can only dream of.
With those vast sums in hand, Regnerus contracted with Knowledge Networks, a large research firm which has provided access to its broad, general-population probability sample to researchers for more than 350 working papers, conference presentation, published articles and books. The probability sample supplied by Knowledge Networks for this study was based on adults between the age of 18 and 39 who were asked the following questions (page 756):
From when you were born until age 18 (or until you left home to be on your own), did either of your parents ever have a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex? Response choices were Yes, my mother had a romantic relationship with another woman, Yes, my father had a romantic relationship with another man, or no. (Respondents were also able to select both of the first two choices.) If they selected either of the first two, they were asked about whether they had ever lived with that parent while they were in a same-sex romantic relationship. The NFSS completed full surveys with 2988 Americans between the ages of 18 and 39.
Because the number of adult children of gay or lesbian parents is so small, additional participants were recruited who could answer the first question in the affirmative using the same random methodologies used to generate the broader sample. This was done to increase the statistical power of the smaller sample while preserving the random nature of that subsample. This is a legitimate practice for examining very small populations. But for that reason, comparing the total of children raised by a parent who had had a same-sex relationship to the overall sample size would not tell us how much of the general population is being raised by such a parent. And while that was not a primary question to be answered by this study, Regnerus notes that the original raw sample showed that 1.7% of all Americans between the ages of 18 and 39 report that their father or mother has had a same-sex relationship. This is in line with several other studies on same-sex households with children.
More:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/10/45512
Bradley Foundation
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The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is an American conservative foundation with about half a billion US dollars in assets. According to the Bradley Foundation 1998 Annual Report, it gives away more than $30 million per year. The Foundation has financed efforts to support federal institutes, publications and school choice and educational projects.
More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Foundation
kristopher
(29,798 posts)"Whether same-sex parenting causes the observed differences cannot be determined from Regnerus' descriptive analysis," cautions Professor Cynthia Osborne from the University of Texas at Austin. "Children of lesbian mothers might have lived in many different family structures and it is impossible to isolate the effects of living with a lesbian mother from experiencing divorce, remarriage, or living with a single parent. Or, it is quite possible, that the effect derives entirely from the stigma attached to such relationships and to the legal prohibitions that prevent same-sex couples from entering and maintaining 'normal relationships'."
In a final comment on Regnerus' research, Pennsylvania State University, sociologist and professor Paul Amato points out, "If growing up with gay and lesbian parents were catastrophic for children, even studies based on small convenience samples would have shown this by now.
If differences exist between children with gay/lesbian and heterosexual parents, they are likely to be small or moderate in magnitude-perhaps comparable to those revealed in the research literature on children and divorce."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120610151302.htm
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)1)provocative but not conclusive (other national probability samples or experimental design studies replicating the findings would move the results closer to conclusive.)
2)Yep. Without controls (as in an experimental design study) it's impossible to attribute the observed differences to same-sex parenting.
3)The lack of convenience samples showing catastrophic outcomes is also provocative, enough so to cast doubt on the strength of Regnerus' study design or analysis.
rurallib
(62,416 posts)hope you don't get beat up too badly.
Washington Time is even goofier than FUX News.
I would look out the window to to be sure if they said the sun was out.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)some folks come here totally confused by the info they have been getting.
I think it is better to treat them kindly and help them understand what is good, what isn't.
Had I been treated the way I have seen some newbies treated here when I first came, I probably would not have stayed.
But if it keeps up, then the responses get a bit more pointed.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)More children from gay parents are Atheists and that gets them hopping mad. How dare they not brainwash their children like straight people do. And what do they expect. Churches for the most part hate gays and are proud of it. These studies are bullshit.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)They leave many of us traumatized and unable to function in the world.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)I was raised in one of those "traditional" homes, and I have put myself into therapy 3 times trying to undo the damage they did to me. I have finally just accepted that some things can't be fixed.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)that he has a tremendous bias in this area.
Bias in soft sciences is a very, very, very bad thing because definitions and variables are so squishy.
I think he has an agenda and I don't buy his study at all.
ninjanurse
(93 posts)I wonder if the study distinguished between parents who had a stable relationship during the subject's childhood and parents who had affairs, separated, divorced, never married? It would depend on how the question was phrased. A kid whose mother had a romantic relationship with the kid's other mother would create a different home life than a mother who was married to a man and had a lesbian relationship outside the marriage.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)What a load of elephant excrement.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)marmar
(77,081 posts)And check out the lede:
"Two studies released Sunday may act like brakes on popular social-science assertions that gay parents are the same...."
Umm, bullshit. The world is passing you homophobic freakazoids by. Deal with it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)"kill lists," indefinite detention, brutal crackdowns on peaceful protesters, austerity budgets, supply-side tax policy and free trade agreements, settlements for corrupt banks, strip searches, massive new spy centers for warrantless surveillance, etc., etc., etc...
I guess this shouldn't be such a big deal, if only for consistency's sake.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)That drivel in the OP needs to be unrec'ced into oblivion. :cringe:
Autumn
(45,096 posts)Pure garbage. Won't even click on it.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Infantile use of statistics to find what one went looking for.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)that no figures were given as to what the negative outcomes were for children raised in "traditional" families were.
I don't know a whole of lot people who were raised by either lesbians or gay dads. I do, however, know plenty of people who were raised in mom/dad families who are totally fucked up.
Including all five of the kids in my family (four sisters, one brother).
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that we would fail 3/4 of the 40 categories, as would many of the other people raised in similar "traditional" families.
I really hate it when "studies" put out incomplete/deceptive information.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)as reliable information.
Just sayin'
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yardwork
(61,622 posts)I wonder if this was controlled for in the study.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Kids that no one wants.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)The children do much better than they would have done if they had stayed in foster care or orphanages. But the kids do have challenges as a result of their early childhood experiences before they were rescued by the gay couples.
RZM
(8,556 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Link to the research article:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610
Link to the second article criticizing the APA's stance.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000580
Like everyone else I am surprised by these findings, but I'm also surprised to see it published in an Elsevier journal which provides tough peer reviews (in my experience). This gives me pause to not discount it outright.
I haven't read it yet. Hopefully we can see the problems with it because I've been teaching "no difference in social-emotional outcomes" for years as per many other studies.
Edited to add link to article discussing the above articles:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000749
RZM
(8,556 posts)A couple studies came out in a journal. So what? Academics argue all the time about everything. Nothing new at all.
While the Washington Times isn't the best source, the issue here is the studies. I see nothing wrong with this post at all.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)As proven by unbiased studies.
It is shameful to see this OP here.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The admins will get every alert, even if a jury doesn't see it again.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I saw the link and was skimming the thread to see if anyone had posted the slate article yet.
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)then maybe a study like this could be performed, but until then, who can say how much of an impact the cultural stigma of having gay parents had.
I call bunk.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Do you have an actual opinion about this study or did you just want to drop this biased BS in a post and watch the fireworks?
The Washington Times, as many have already pointed out, is a right-wing fundy paper... so I have to wonder about your motives for posting this.
There are many studies that have already been conducted on this subject that find just the opposite of this study. As a matter of fact, all studies stating that kids raised in same-sex environs suffer have been refuted as bogus. Yet, dropping this article without opinion makes people come along and question whether raising children in a same-sex household is healthy because it's upheld by this "scientific" study.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Out of nearly 3000 persons studied, less than 250 were raised in a home with a member of the LGBTIQ community as a parent.
Mr. Regnerus study of 2,988 persons ages 18 to 39 including 175 adults raised by lesbian mothers and 73 adults raised by gay fathers marks the first research from the new dataset, which initially included some 15,000 persons.
That is too small of a sample-set to challenge the results from the APA.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that is, when soft sciences like "sociology" are presented as irrefutable quantitative sources for allegedly scientific assertions, people should take them with a grain of salt, because at least half the time, it's agenda driven bullshit, often (as in this case) driven by people with a cultural agenda.
tandot
(6,671 posts)In short, these people arent the products of same-sex households. Theyre the products of broken homes. And the closer you look, the weirder the sample gets. Of the 73 respondents Regnerus classified as GF, 12one of every sixreported both a mother and a father having a same-sex relationship. Were these mom-and-dad couples bisexual swingers? Were they closet cases who covered for each other? If their kids, 20 to 40 years later, are struggling, does that reflect poorly on gay parents? Or does it reflect poorly on the era of fake heterosexual marriages?
What the study shows, then, is that kids from broken homes headed by gay people develop the same problems as kids from broken homes headed by straight people. But that finding isnt meaningless. It tells us something important: We need fewer broken homes among gays, just as we do among straights. We need to study Regnerus sample and fix the mistakes we made 20 or 40 years ago. No more sham heterosexual marriages. No more post-parenthood self-discoveries. No more deceptions. No more affairs. And no more polarization between homosexuality and marriage. Gay parents owe their kids the same stability as straight parents. That means less talk about marriage as a right, and more about marriage as an expectation.