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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:25 AM Feb 2022

Bond Between China and Russia Alarms U.S. and Europe Amid Ukraine Crisis

The Biden administration plans to build up global coalitions to counter a pact between Vladimir V. Putin and Xi Jinping, portending a new type of Cold War.

WASHINGTON — When Wang Yi, China’s foreign minister, called on Saturday for talks to resolve the crisis in Europe, he said Ukraine’s sovereignty should be “respected and safeguarded” — but also sided with Russia in saying that NATO enlargement was destabilizing the continent.

“If NATO keeps expanding eastward, is it conducive to maintaining peace and stability in Europe?” he said by video at the Munich Security Conference in Germany, which Vice President Kamala Harris was attending in person to rally countries against Russia.

It was the latest instance of what Western officials say is China taking a bold new swing at the United States and its allies by wading into European security issues to explicitly back Russia, which has amassed as many as 190,000 troops around Ukraine for a possible invasion — despite the fact Ukraine is not joining NATO anytime soon.

Current and former U.S. and European officials say they are alarmed over what is effectively a nonaggression pact between China and Russia that could amount to a realignment of the world order. Portending a new type of Cold War, Biden administration officials say the United States will work to create and bolster its own coalitions of democratic nations — including new Europe and Asia-Pacific strategic groups — and help countries develop advanced military capabilities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/us/politics/russia-china-ukraine-biden.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DPDmwaiPkORJCH_0bRZKF4IMEuxC-aTZpKML4pTblvzfVWPkpgDgOprpaC3pQZJiF_4aSCYlQL5bOfF7Yp7W2tKWCjNOZ0wLD44knaaDTrX6XA2HQmcxJio5o0aQmo0HAXlP-WELYj09Up3vtyFYk6EWlbHFSCt_LrCh1_Pt-UPFqLukRtBbYvCXyElsWc6rkAbAxSFVnFKXp46m4849pdU8gFaOe9d1VzPZqj3shCTzBgP4yrBJYuRoLLlL8MsLLFqReEycDe1Oym9zKQov_vea5fGsTwA1IK&smid=url-share

Seems like we're living in an Orwellian world these days.
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Bond Between China and Russia Alarms U.S. and Europe Amid Ukraine Crisis (Original Post) Zorro Feb 2022 OP
An alliance of convenience for China. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2022 #1
If the bond between China an Russia is so singularly focused why is China calling on Russia to find PortTack Feb 2022 #2
The Chinese leadership is agreeing with that of Russia, Ghost Dog Feb 2022 #3
The alliance is a marriage of convenience Chainfire Feb 2022 #4
In the meantime, they will damage democracy and take over world resources. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #6
Western democracies greatly weakened, China and Russia aligned. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #5

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
1. An alliance of convenience for China.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:43 AM
Feb 2022

They like to have the world distracted while they work their plan for Taiwan. Fucking idiots. China will destroy themselves with their political destruction of their intellectual class. In Shanghai, Hong Kong, Dalian....you name it. Capitalsm is alive and well and the CCPP might want to consider the real war that will happen. It's not just HK and Shanghai that promote free-thinking.....the reality is well established on the mainland, certainly in Guangdong Province.....

Visit Zongshan! The Birthplace of Sun Yat-sen. Some of the best people I've met in my life.

For one, there's Jerry....has a successful turtle soup business in Zhongshan. It's named Terrapin Station....go figure. Americanized - folks lived in DC while working for the Chinese Government. Became a Deadhead here. Been back since late 90's. Been conversing/trading music since the 90's. Spent a lot of quality time in the late 90's and early 00's seeing the opening of an incredible culture.

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
2. If the bond between China an Russia is so singularly focused why is China calling on Russia to find
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:05 AM
Feb 2022

A peaceful solution and not invade Ukraine?

China still desperately needs our trade and they know if they back Russia totally this will no doubt kill the golden goose. They understand that the US is quite capable of making “stuff” here and over the long haul cutting them out.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
3. The Chinese leadership is agreeing with that of Russia,
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:34 AM
Feb 2022

which says it has no intention of invading Ukraine, but rather seeks a diplomatic agreement, as expressed in the draft Treaty presented to the US and NATO in December, forging a new and peaceful mutual security arrangement in Europe.

Unfortunately most Western MSM simply ignores this many times stated position, preferring instead to warmonger, vicariously.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
6. In the meantime, they will damage democracy and take over world resources.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:57 AM
Feb 2022

They know they are using each other, but the end is worth it to them.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
5. Western democracies greatly weakened, China and Russia aligned.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:55 AM
Feb 2022

Global power is shifting as we speak.

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