by a friend: 'We cannot enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

[elleng]

If we end up shooting down a Russian plane =WWIII. It also gives Putin what he desperately needs right now: a way to unify Russians against an external enemy.

We cannot enter this war. I say this as a Ukrainian, the US cannot engage militarily. The world is united around Ukraine right now. America has meddled enough.'

[Hoyt]

1. There are many opinions and who knows? But I get that one.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

3. I was wondering the same thing.

Obviously he's getting "meddling" confused with "leading."

Or was Churchill meddling in Germany's disagreement with the rest of Europe?

[RussBLib]

4. yeah, a no fly zone sounds good, until...

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our planes start taking Russian anti-aircraft fire and need to fire back to protect themselves.

We need to take out the anti-aircraft batteries that could actually be based in Russia.

And much of the destruction of Ukraine is coming from land-based missile launchers. Do our planes start taking them out too?

Still Putrid must be countered. Many more are going to die.

[Grins]

5. "It will lead to WWIII!!!" Proof?

Why shouldn’t Putin be equally afraid of that, too?

[elleng]

6. Logic.

Not that kind of 'bear'

[Igel]

7. "Cannot"? Probably not accurate.

We could.

Arguably, we "mustn't" enforce a no-fly zone, and perhaps we "shouldn't" enforce a no-fly zone.

But we probably *could* actually enforce one, if push came t shove.

Stingers nice. But perhaps some AA weapons that have a rather higher reach could "accidently" be shipped to Ukraine.

[elleng]

8. Right, MUSTn't.

Just read, 'Putin has said the sanctions are a declaration of war,' so words don't matter, OUR words, anyway.
'he wants to go to war with the west. He is itching for at least asymmetrical warfare.'

[Igel]

9. It's hard to know what Putin wants in this matter.

Except to keep us out.

"Vseia Rusi" is a big deal to him, from what he's said when talking to svoi.

Wanting Voronezh, Tula, Piter, and Moscow bombed? Even in his Soviet-added brain there must lurk a bit of a realization that millions dead isn't worth his honor.

What he'd do with that is a bit of a mystery.

I still think that 90 minutes after Russian "peacekeepers" moved to the Donbas LOC NATO peacekeepers should have likewise moved to the Donbas LOC. In equal numbers. With a rather large number of troops in Poland and Romania, ready to go in and "defend" the peacekeepers.

[elleng]

10. 'Putin likens sanctions to a 'declaration of war,'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216445073

He WANTS war. ALMOST doesn't matter what we do/say. In that case, what SHOULD we do?