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Ukraine's first major counter-offensive!
Today was a bigger day for Ukraine than many realize.I cant stress enough how big today was for Ukraine. Conducting their first major counter-offensive and moving 75 km in a day is huge. Lets get into why, and what are the next occurrences to watch for. Id like to also give a shout out to Lawrence for accurately predicting the first big move in Mykolaiv.
With defeats of Russians at Voznesensk and pushing them back past Posad-Pokrovskote, the Ukrainians have given themselves a giant morale booster, successfully tested the defensive capability of Russia, and are potentially cutting off Russian forces in Kryvyi Rih. I wish I knew the manner in which the push was achieved. Was it a straightforward push with Russians pulling back (or becoming a full rout) or did the Ukrainians bypass Russian forces and take Posad-Pokrovskote cutting off the Russians near Mykolaiv and capturing them?
Either way this is a defeat of what should have been the major Russian axis of advance in the south. A more competent Russian pincer would have used a minor diversionary assault in the East pinning Ukrainian forces in place while concentrating the majority of their forces on the Northern pincer from Belarus and the Southern pincer from Crimea. The Crimean pincer should have quickly focused on taking Kherson, Mykolaiv on to Odesa, then driving north to Kyiv. The port in Odesa would have been a major supply node for southern forces and is critically west of the Dnieper river. Odesa as a supply node would have meant less of the supply line occurring on land and more of it by ship on the Black Sea where the Russian Navy would have far less trouble protecting it than the hundreds of kilometers of spread out roads they have now. Even without taking the center of Kyiv, a Russian pincer where the North and South forces met would have cut off military supplies to the whole East. Russia would probably not have needed to control the whole Eastern half of Ukraine to force a favorable peace deal.
Instead, Ukraine is about to push the Russians out of Ukraine west of the Dnieper in the south. The bridges in the middle of the country over the Dnieper will continue to supply eastern Ukrainian forces and allow troop movement back and forth.
With defeats of Russians at Voznesensk and pushing them back past Posad-Pokrovskote, the Ukrainians have given themselves a giant morale booster, successfully tested the defensive capability of Russia, and are potentially cutting off Russian forces in Kryvyi Rih. I wish I knew the manner in which the push was achieved. Was it a straightforward push with Russians pulling back (or becoming a full rout) or did the Ukrainians bypass Russian forces and take Posad-Pokrovskote cutting off the Russians near Mykolaiv and capturing them?
Either way this is a defeat of what should have been the major Russian axis of advance in the south. A more competent Russian pincer would have used a minor diversionary assault in the East pinning Ukrainian forces in place while concentrating the majority of their forces on the Northern pincer from Belarus and the Southern pincer from Crimea. The Crimean pincer should have quickly focused on taking Kherson, Mykolaiv on to Odesa, then driving north to Kyiv. The port in Odesa would have been a major supply node for southern forces and is critically west of the Dnieper river. Odesa as a supply node would have meant less of the supply line occurring on land and more of it by ship on the Black Sea where the Russian Navy would have far less trouble protecting it than the hundreds of kilometers of spread out roads they have now. Even without taking the center of Kyiv, a Russian pincer where the North and South forces met would have cut off military supplies to the whole East. Russia would probably not have needed to control the whole Eastern half of Ukraine to force a favorable peace deal.
Instead, Ukraine is about to push the Russians out of Ukraine west of the Dnieper in the south. The bridges in the middle of the country over the Dnieper will continue to supply eastern Ukrainian forces and allow troop movement back and forth.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/17/2086623/-Today-was-a-bigger-day-for-Ukraine-than-many-realize
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Ukraine's first major counter-offensive! (Original Post)
BlueWavePsych
Mar 2022
OP
I hope it is true but I would think something this big would be all over the news. It is not.
40RatRod
Mar 2022
#11
I'm so proud of Ukraine! I wish military strategists WOULD NOT school the russians on
BComplex
Mar 2022
#14
rso
(2,271 posts)1. Ukraine
Splendid !
hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)2. My emotions are on overdrive and I needed this.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)3. Great!
PortTack
(32,757 posts)4. Glory Ukraine!
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)5. Suggestion: open Google Maps and take a visual trip to Odesa.
Go to street level, choose a location, such as the commerce and seaside areas, and take in the beauty, the prosperity, the ambience. From the Google vans, it looks like a thoroughly delightful place, a wonderful destination for any traveler. THIS IS WHAT PUTIN IS INTENT ON DESTROYING.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)12. see what you mean
Beautiful buildings. I do not see how that kind of art work, architecture, etc., will be able to be replaced.
Upthevibe
(8,040 posts)6. Kick. N/T
Ligyron
(7,629 posts)7. Some pincer movement, lol.
On the country the size of Texas? Oh, you gotta be kidding me.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)8. More news:
MurrayDelph
(5,294 posts)9. Obviously the Russians never saw The Italian Job
wnylib
(21,433 posts)10. Great news!
40RatRod
(532 posts)11. I hope it is true but I would think something this big would be all over the news. It is not.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)13. they get their news from us
a lot of the time. The longer you hang out here, the more you see that. It doesn't take 28,966 posts to figure that out, though.
BComplex
(8,049 posts)14. I'm so proud of Ukraine! I wish military strategists WOULD NOT school the russians on
a better plan, however. I just think we should keep clever strategies to ourselves. Ya know what I'm sayin'?